Wikipedia talk:What "Ignore all rules" means

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Improve Illustration[edit]

The illustration suggests that you should do any idea that comes intro your head, as long at it does not contradict wikipedia policy or rules. That could go very wrong, if you just skim the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:04, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

I updated the diagram to fix that "loophole". Now checking for a good idea is the FIRST step. --Ahecht (TALK
) 22:24, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

The illustration does not cover the case where the rules are *incomplete* or *vague* which is different, and probably more common, than being *wrong* ... --Sethop (talk) 20:10, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

How about *no loopholes* or *very redundant*? *incomplete* or *vague* aren't more common than what's wrong, there just two more things wrong. I love the satire of the flow chart, no edit required.

Re: "Are you sure that your idea..."[edit]

What should the threshold be? The flowchart gives a binary yes/no option, but what if I were to add content with a 65-70% confidence that it is a good idea, and 80-85% confidence that it improves the encyclopedia. Is that sufficient? Anothersignalman (talk) 16:30, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Examples needed[edit]

I am re-posting and updating a comment I made on 21 December 2015 that unfortunately did not generate any interest before it was archived. Perhaps this time things will be more favorable.

I believe this essay would be enhanced by a list of examples of articles that were improved by WP:IAR, listing the article, the rule that was ignored, and how ignoring the rule improved the article. Without such a list, the user has no way of knowing when WP:IAR could ever apply. I sure don't, and I have made almost 35,000 edits, the first almost 12 years ago in June 2005. I understand that WP:IAR can mean WP:Be bold, go ahead and edit and things will sort out in the end. If WP:IAR can also mean something like "Sometimes articles are actually improved by changes normally prohibited by WP:MOS or other sets of rules," examples should be provided. If WP:IAR is really just WP:Be bold, this essay should say so, to remove all doubt. —Anomalocaris (talk) 07:37, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

IAR is completely different from BOLD. IAR is rare and I can't think of any useful examples in articles, although it was invoked at Jimmy Wales to add a see also to User:Jimbo Wales to the article (diff). IAR is more popular at places like WP:ANI where normal procedures might suggest, for example, that a user should remain blocked, but circumstances suggest an unblock would be worth trying. IAR is frequently mentioned but like WP:NOTCENSORED it is rarely understood and rarely used correctly. IAR is one of those I know it when I see it things. Johnuniq (talk) 10:05, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
Johnuniq: If IAR is rarely understood and rarely used correctly, then we need a list of examples of articles that were improved by it. The problem with I know it when I see it is that other users are not able to do a Vulcan mind meld with the original writer. If you want to supply examples applying IAR to Wikipedia procedures such as blocking and unblocking, that is fine too, but I'm calling mainly for examples relating to the article space. —Anomalocaris (talk) 17:49, 26 April 2017 (UTC)