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Tangentially related (gender-neutral language stuff)[edit]

FYI: Pointer to relevant discussion elsewhere.

Please see Talk:Gender neutrality in languages with grammatical gender#Major update needed for Romance languages
 — SMcCandlish ¢ 😼  05:13, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Women in Green – call for participants[edit]

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Hello all – I'd like to invite you to join Women in Green, WikiProject Women's article improvement department. The department has not been an active project in the past, but we are now working on kickstarting new collaborative work between editors to improve existing articles about women and women's works. If this sounds like something you're interested in, please add your name to Women in Green's list of active participants! You can check out more details of our discussions so far on the Women in Green talk page. Alanna the Brave (talk) 23:56, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi Alanna the Brave. In terms of the GGTF I'm not too sure about the selection criteria behind the 'Hot 100' - Madame de Pompadour? - but good luck with it. --The Vintage Feminist (talk) 09:07, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
Hi The Vintage Feminist -- I must admit I'm not sure how the original group of editors selected the names on that list (possibly drawn from the Wikipedia list of Vital articles, which do seem to depend on fame), but the 'Hot 100' is definitely something that's up for discussion right now. Some suggested alterations have included the conscious incorporation of a wider diversity of nationalities and/or occupations into our list of prioritized articles. If you have any thoughts or suggestions about this, please do feel free to add comments to the Women in Green talk page -- all input is useful going forward. Alanna the Brave (talk) 15:48, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Male bias in cave rescue articles Suggestion[edit]

So, recently I have mostly been editing 2018 missile strikes against Syria and Tham Luang cave rescue. In the first article, the relevance and active role of women is made clear early in the article; Theresa May is one of the key players, and Nikki Haley, Permanent US Representative at the UN, soon makes an appearance to reassure the world that the United States is "locked and loaded".

But in the second article, it appears that the first forty-six individually named persons in the article are all male, with no females, transgender or non-binary persons named at all in the entire article. (Please correct me if I have mis-counted -- this does include the rescued as well as the rescuers.) This is despite Sky News having broadcast interviews with the commander of the U.S. contingent who was female, and BBC News having broadcast several segments of footage with female volunteers at the rescue logistics camp. The female volunteers were engaged in activities such as cleaning and cooking. I am certain that there was also footage of mothers, sisters, and female classmates of the trapped persons, but only reactions from male persons are included in the article. The article mentions that over ten thousand persons were involved in the rescue.

First, is this appropriate coverage?

Second, is there a wider gender gap problem in speleology and related emergency rescue procedures? If so, is there anything that we can do to fix this?

The name of the cave itself, incidentally, means "Great Cave of the Sleeping Lady". MPS1992 (talk) 03:15, 21 July 2018 (UTC)