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What's the Situation on Dubious Taxa in Formation Articles?[edit]

I've noticed a bit of inconsistency in the inclusion/exclusion of dubious and otherwise invalid taxa in articles for geologic formations. It started with Hell Creek, but it's happened in the Dinosaurs of the Morrison Formation article as well, where I've continuously un-done it. But it keeps happening, so I figured it'd be better to ask here on the consensus. Traditionally, as well as on pretty much every other formation article, they are included; additionally, it's clearly indicated they're invalid, so there's no downside; and it's useful information not easily found elsewhere. Lusotitan (talk) 20:50, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

I've always included them. Abyssal (talk) 16:13, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
Maybe they could be included in a separate section, not alphabetically in with the valid taxa? Doing the latter can create a false impression of taxon diversity for people who aren't looking at the color code. Dinoguy2 (talk) 19:13, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Looking for feedback on a tool on Visual Editor to add open license text from other sources[edit]

Hi all

I'm designing a tool for Visual Editor to make it easy for people to add open license text from other sources, there are a huge number of open license sources compatible with Wikipedia including around 9000 journals. I can see a very large opportunity to easily create a high volume of good quality articles quickly. I have done a small project with open license text from UNESCO as a proof of concept, any thoughts, feedback or endorsements (on the Meta page) would be greatly appreciated.


--John Cummings (talk) 14:40, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Dinosaurs articles by quality and importance[edit]

On the front page, I'm having trouble using the links. It takes a long time to load and when it finally does it says "Error 502: Bad Gateway". Anyone else have this problem?   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  18:24, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

I've been having the same problem for the last 40 hours or so. Plantdrew (talk) 18:54, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Not entirely related, but I just took a look at the ratings as they appear on the "popular pages". To me, it seems preposterous that the Disney Dinosaur movie is rated "mid importance" to the dino project, when it has little to no significance to the subject of dinosaurs, while well-known dinosaurs with a vast literature such as Plateosaurus and Tarbosaurus are supposedly of "low importance". I think all well-known dinosaurs with a vast literature should be of at least mid importance, and that most of the pop culture fluff should be of low importance. FunkMonk (talk) 03:24, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

Galvesaurus or Galveosaurus[edit]

This article has for a long time been accepted as Galveosaurus over Galvesaurus, for the reasons proposed in Sanchez-Hernandez in the 2006 reference on the page. However, I have gone through the literature about the taxon and it appears that that proposal was rejected by the authors of Galvesaurus. There paper was published July 1st, while Galveosaurus was published August 11th. This gives Galvesaurus priority. Anyone disagree that we should have Galvesaurus as the article, and Galveosaurus as the redirect? IJReid discuss 21:00, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

This situation doesn't seem so clear cut. The date in the Galvesaurus paper is listed as July-December 2005. Sanchez argues the paper was actually published December 18th. Barco and Canudo claim the paper was actually published July 1st, but only cite their original paper as evidence. Nobody seems to have attempted to refute Sanchez's date of December 18th, merely saying she is wrong, and that their claimed date is within the range of their paper's date. I personally don't understand why, if the Barco paper hit print in July, the print date is written July-December. How could a volume published in July contain any material published after July? It looks like a standard case of papers accumulated during that period being compiled and printed at the end of that period, which is why ICZN 21.6 even exists. Barco claims there is no reason to seek external evidence because the July 1 date is within the Jul-Dec range, but Sanchez presented evidence to the contrary in her paper, which should be enough to invoke the ICZN rule. So I side with Sanchez on the date issue unless Barco et al. publish some actual evidence that they put out a journal with the range July-December in July for some reason, and can explain why the print date on the journal as a whole is December 18th. The ethical issue is a different story, and Barco et al. seem to have a good case that Sanchez got the name from the plaque at the museum (that they allowed an unpublished name onto public display in the first place, was probably a bad idea...). But just because a name was coined unethically does not make it a junior synonym. Dinoguy2 (talk) 11:18, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
I know it is not very clear cut. However, even if the date was wrong, wouldn't this be a similar situation to Kulindapteryx vs Kulindadromeus. The whole reason Sanchez was able to change the date was because the date of July 1st wasn't within the range according to her, although it really is because she misread an issue number, Nº 15, as the date July 15th. If the date is within the range, then according to Article 21.2, the provided date should be accepted as correct, since there is no evidence to the contrary. IJReid discuss 14:40, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
"since there is no evidence to the contrary" This is the key issue. Sanchez claims there IS evidence to the contrary, which is what her 2006 paper was about. The 2012 paper seems not to have addressed that evidence, merely refuting her misinterpretation of 15 July vs. 1 July which really has no bearing on the issue either way. If Sanchez' claimed print date of December 18th can be refuted, it should be. If it can't, her name (unfortunately) stands. Kulindapteryx is somewhat similar but in that case the extra issue of online vs. print publication comes into play (it's not clear if Kulindapteryx was published in print before Kulindadromeus, though it was online before, and the online paper did not meet ICZN requirements. If Kulindapteryx was in print before Kulindadromeus, it is the correct name, stolen specimen or not). Dinoguy2 (talk) 19:18, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
I would be curious to see if other papers in this journal issue of Naturaleza Aragonesa have the same date, or if they range between July - December on the individual papers. If they all say July 1 this is evidence it was actually printed on that date. If not, that's evidence the volume came out later and was a compilation of papers completed during that entire date range. Unfortunately, I can't find any kind of archives for Naturaleza Aragon's online nor any other papers published in volume 15. If this was the only paper in that volume then the July 1 date should probably stand. Dinoguy2 (talk) 19:31, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Specimens of Archaeopteryx reassessment[edit]

I've devoted a great deal of time working to flesh out the Specimens of Archaeopteryx article, which was last assessed at C-class quite a long time ago. Requesting a quality reassessment at this stage. (Cross-posting this request to its other Wikiprojects, just fyi.) Thanks! -Ferahgo the Assassin (talk) 03:20, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Stegoceras at FAC[edit]

Stegoceras is now nominated for featured article candidate[1], any commons are welcome. FunkMonk (talk) 19:12, 20 August 2016 (UTC)