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Bon Secours Mother and Baby Home[edit]

Editors with an interest/knowledge of the Tuam Mother and Baby Home are requested to review recent changes and contribute opinions to Talk:Bon_Secours_Mother_and_Baby_Home#Trimming_in_October_2018 if they so wish. Regards, BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 14:13, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Still very much a live issue... BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 16:15, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Mass renaming of election articles, bypassing WP:Requested moves[edit]

See Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#Mass_renaming_of_election_articles,_bypassing_WP:Requested_moves.

I just used WP:AWB to count the Irish articles which are likely to be renamed: I count 860 of them under Category:Elections in Ireland.

After 17 editors participated in a poorly-notified RFC, the intention is to move them without further discussion, and without notification. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:56, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

 :-( Seems an unusual failure of process. But maybe time yet for some more consideration. However nice the format (I'm of two minds on that), I would be dubious about both the way this was not-discussed, and the smarts of moving 35k articles, with inevitable tidying after (no negatives about the bot and its operator, it's just inevitable across so many titles, some messy already). As with many other items, I'd be happier to see such things raised when, for example, more articles are at least reviewed and classified by at least one project, more stubs raised to a reasonable minimum quality, etc. SeoR (talk) 11:41, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

RfC on election/referendum naming format[edit]

An RfC on moving the year from the end to the start of article titles (e.g. South African general election, 2019 to 2019 South African general election) has been reopened for further comment, including on whether a bot could be used move the articles if it closed in favour of the change: Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (government and legislation)#Proposed change to election/referendum naming format. Cheers, Number 57 15:37, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

@Number 57: I see you've notified over 250 WikiProjects, which is very good, and that there has already been a good response. I just wonder if it wouldn't also be a good idea to put a new RfC template at the top? Scolaire (talk) 19:56, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
I'm not entirely sure I understand what you mean. You're welcome to do it though if you wish. Number 57 19:58, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
I've re-added the template that was there. I'm not sure if that works, but we'll see. Scolaire (talk) 20:23, 20 October 2018 (UTC)


Is Moycullen a hamlet or a large parish? See talk page. Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:39, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

This may be ignored. The question has been rendered moot by the actions of @Scolaire: with the tacit approval of @The Banner:. Apparently, they interpret an invitation to comment, such as this, to mean "delete 57% of the sourced content". As a result of the deletion, nothing remains of the argument that most of the content relates to a parish, not a hamlet, since all the deleted material, quite coincidentally, related to the parish. Out-of-process emptying, while blunt, is quite effective. Laurel Lodged (talk) 20:29, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
As I said on the talk page there, you have a strange fascination for civil parishes. And tou are trying to give them far, far more weight than realistic. The Banner talk 21:12, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
The RfC did at least bring me to Civil parishes in Ireland, where I learned something (in addition to reinforcing that the Moycullen article should be about the village, rather than a largely unused and obsolete subdivision). BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 21:48, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
Banner, talk pages are the place for discussion of strange fascinations. No need for that now after the actions of Scolaire. I see that you and Bastun have failed to condemn his behaviour. Very telling of the mindset of all 4 of you. Laurel Lodged (talk) 20:32, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
Wait a minute! Condemn my actions? The tacit approval of The Banner? All I did was to revert one silly edit, with a full edit summary. How is this suddenly my war? Scolaire (talk) 13:28, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
You better read it the other way round: there is no consensus for your opinion. The Banner talk 16:19, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
Sincere apologies to @Scolaire: - I got my diffs mixed up. His edit was minor. It was @The Banner: who did the bulk deletion. No hard feelings I hope Scolaire. So Banner contributed above, knowing that I had laid the blame elsewhere, but stayed schtum about it? Well doesn't that just tell us everything we need to know about the Banner. Laurel Lodged (talk) 20:52, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
The personal attack says more about you, Laurel Lodged. The Banner talk 20:57, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
@Laurel Lodged: I asked you on your talk page to strike through your attacks on me. If you do that, there'll be no hard feelings. Just put a <s> at the start and a </s> at the end of each one. Scolaire (talk) 09:10, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

─────────────────────────Whilst the article can easily accommodate both entities as it has been done elsewhere for other places that share a parish and village (or whatever) name, however why not simply create a civil parish article for Moycullen instead? It is a geopolitical subdivision so is notable enough for an article. Simples. It also means you can say you created an article Laurel. Whoop, whoop! Mabuska (talk) 22:45, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Hope we're all good now @Scolaire:. Thanks @Mabuska: I'll do that. Seems excessive for such a small hamlet, but that's Ireland wiki for you. So I take it that nobody is going to institute proceedings against The Banner for his out-of-process bulk deletion of sourced material during a live discussion? Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:01, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
I make it that The Banner deleted the content 11 minutes before you opened the discussion. This was the state of the article at the moment you first posted to the talk page. So no, not out of process. And as for "bulk of sourced material", there was one link to this page for the whole of the deleted text! You really do need to check your facts before throwing allegations around. And a WikiProject is not the place to go looking for condemnation anyway; there's a Dramaboard for that. As far as you and I are concerned, yes, we're all square now. Scolaire (talk) 12:11, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
See shiny new article - Moycullen (civil parish). Two townlands have the Logainm ref. Help with the remaining 74 would be appreciated. Is Banner as quick with pasting as he is with deleting? Laurel Lodged (talk) 14:32, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
Jesus. Stop digging. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 16:24, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
I second that. Scolaire (talk) 18:36, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
It is not the first time Laurel Lodges acts like this. The Banner talk 20:07, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
For Your Information, Laurel Lodged: it was an editor named Laurel Lodged who started shouting over the townlands as not being part of the village so to solve his broken heart I removed the townlands. And now I get hammered for removing them? The Banner talk 21:00, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

Laurels statement on townlands and settlements is inherently wrong as they exist in one or more townlands meaning they technically are part of the settlement. Mabuska (talk) 16:58, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

In the Logainm database, the hierarchy is quite clear: province → county → barony → civil parish → townland. Villages feature nowhere in that hierarchy. They are just features like rivers or islands. While it's true that civil parishes can spill across baronies occasionally, it's mainly quite coherent. A village can also straddle two civil parishes (e.g. Herbertstown). Moycullen village is not in the townland of that name; the locus shifted westwards following the ruination of the abbey church. The remaining article now has primacy for the name and it can focus on things that are pertinent to the hamlet. Laurel Lodged (talk) 10:27, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
Maybe the Logainm database is not a proper source for what you want. But it looks like you want to destroy articles about places in favour of articles about civil parishes. Even when those civil parishes have no real value beyond some administrative purposes as land registration. Even my hometown straddles four townlands, does that make the town non-notable, as you claim? The Banner talk 10:38, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
I have never destroyed an article. My original work on Moycullen sought to give the village it's proper (low priority) place within the larger context of the parish. Most of what remains in the article does not pertain to the hamlet of course, but to things that belong to the parish. In Ireland, parishes, whether civil or ecclesiastical, are the centre of of attention, not the cluster of houses surrounding a particular building. Laurel Lodged (talk) 10:55, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
You were clearly out to destroy the article about a village by changing it into a civil parish. Even in this discussion you diminish Moycullen by calling it a hamlet (a hamlet with 1500 inhabitants). The nasty truth is that the civil parish deserves the low priority. Even the Catholic parish has more priority (as they are de facto part of the Civil Registration Office) than a civil parish. The Banner talk 18:41, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
Lads, the WikiProject talk page is not here for people to indulge in slagging matches. The IP below has offered some useful, relevant perspective and advice. Anyone who doesn't have similar recommendations for improving articles, just stop please. Scolaire (talk) 20:46, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
Galway Gaeltacht person abroad here. My tuppence on the original question - Moycullen is both. The small village / settlement is now the primary thing, as Ireland has become more “centralised@ but parishes are also important, in rural areas at least, and I think it was the right answer to have two articles. (talk) 11:22, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

RfC on Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Irish stations)[edit]

There's an RfC on adopting the proposed guideline for transport stations, Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Irish stations), here. Interested editors are asked to weigh in.--Cúchullain t/c 13:41, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

Meetups in Munster[edit]

There is a fairly regular meetup in Cork, in collaboration with Dublin2019. ☕ Antiqueight chatter 11:42, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Help required, any volunteers?![edit]

Hi members of WP:Ireland! I'm just over from WP:CRIN and looking for volunteers. I'm currently expanding the coverage of Irish cricket, from players, to teams, to grounds. I'm wondering if anyone who is handy with a camera might be able to take some pictures of these cricket grounds, all major venues currently missing images. Most are located in or around Belfast/Dublin. I would do it myself, but I'm on the south-coast of England! Any photos would be much appreciated by all at WP:CRIN. Thanks in advance for any help. StickyWicket (talk) 17:55, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Featured quality source review RFC[edit]

Editors in this WikiProject may be interested in the featured quality source review RFC that has been ongoing. It would change the featured article candidate process (FAC) so that source reviews would need to occur prior to any other reviews for FAC. Your comments are appreciated. --IznoRepeat (talk) 21:40, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Change "xxx from Northern Ireland" to "Northern Irish xxx" in categories[edit]

I'm a bit irritated by the inconsistency in how Northern Irish people are categorized on Wikipedia. Looking at Category:DJs by nationality, all of the DJs by nationality are categorized by the adjective form (e.g. "American DJs", "Russian DJs", "British DJs", even "Welsh DJs" and "Scottish DJs") but not Northern Irish DJs who are categorized as "DJs from Northern Ireland‎". I don't like this at all! I once started a CfD to change the DJs category but it was opposed on the basis that all the other Northern Irish people categories use the "xxx from Northern Ireland" form. So I'm proposing to change it on a wider scale, changing all category instances of "xxx from Northern Ireland" to "Northern Irish xxx" for consistency with the other similar categories of different countries. Flooded with them hundreds 13:47, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

@Flooded with them hundreds: The naming of categories is not a WP:RFC matter, it should be discussed at WP:CFD. Where is this CfD that you once started? I would like to read up on the various arguments put forth there. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 13:32, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
Yes but this RfC is just to see what the Irish Wikipedians think for me to have an idea about how a CfD would result. The original proposal is at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2017_June_21#Category:DJs_from_Northern_Ireland Flooded with them hundreds 13:43, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
The CfD that you linked does not have your name on it - it is signed by TheMagnificentist who was subsequently renamed to Zawl (talk · contribs) (whose name is given in the page history). You say that you once started that CfD... are you claiming that you are also Zawl?
Looking at Oculi's "keep" !vote in that CfD, it is clear that the CfDs held at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2009 January 7#Category:Northern Irish people and Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2009 July 13#Category:Northern Irish accountants are both highly relevant. So long as Category:People from Northern Ireland continues to bear that name, any suggestion to rename any single one of its subcategories to "Northern Irish ..." is doomed to fail. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 18:25, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
Yes, a clean start. The first CfD was 9 years ago and Oculi's oppose was based on consistency with the parent category, which I'm proposing to change for consistency with people by nationality categories. Flooded with them hundreds 18:43, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Anyone in or near Tuam?[edit]

The article Bon Secours Mother and Baby Home would benefit from some photographs before the planned excavations begin. Unfortunately the images in the Technical Report are (evidently) used by permission and so are not public domain. If anyone is passing through Tuam or lives near the site it would be great to get some images uploaded to Wikimedia Commons. AugusteBlanqui (talk) 13:34, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Donegal Tweed[edit]

I've just come across an error on the Tweed page and then found more and worse on Donegal tweed. Please see the discussion page of the latter. Does someone here feel up to it? -- Madame (talk) 14:09, 15 November 2018 (UTC)