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Mammal PR[edit]

I've nominated Mammal for Peer review, I invite anyone to leave comments (and start the review) here.   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk 

Mammal Species of the World, 3rd edition[edit]

Hello All, Wikipedia:WikiProject Tree of Life#Animals tells me that MSW3 "is the preferred taxonomy used by Wikiproject:Mammals." I have looked on the project page and in its Project Navbox under "Resources:Animal naming convenentions" but cannot find MSW3 listed. Could someone advise me if it should it be listed here or is TOL incorrect, please? Regards, William Harristalk • 23:14, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

It's listed under the Taxonomic resources section on the project page under Animal in the Mammal subsection   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  23:37, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
I think @William Harris: was asking about a preference for MSW3 being documented here, on the WikProject Mammals page. Following MSW3 is discussed extensively in the Mammal talk page archives, but it's not on the main project page. MSW3 is 11 years old and science marches on. Mammals aren't arranged strictly following MSW3 anymore (I'm not sure that they ever all got brought into line with MSW3 in the first place). Wikipedia should follow secondary sources, and probably ought not to be putting up articles on new families following primary sources, but 11 years is a long wait for the secondary source to catch up. Plantdrew (talk) 01:38, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for your quick replies, Dunkleosteus77 and Plantdrew.
  • As suggested, I have looked through the archives and have no doubt if it were put to the vote today there would be more than enough supporters in favor of retaining MSW3. Like you, I too have concerns with MSW3 (2005) and am not convinced there will be a MSW4 released, however I believe that its use should be reflected on the Wikiproject Mammals page. How should we progress this?
  • I have a particular interest in Genus Canis (as you both know and I thank you both for your recent article assessments), whose member species can all potentially interbreed (78 chromosomes) and therefore is getting attention from those at the forefront of genomics. Perhaps a way forward is what I have recently reflected at the Alexander Archipelago wolf, with the Taxonomy chapter divided into two halves. The first section is titled "Taxonomic classification" and provides MSW3 and other taxonomic opinions based on morphology. The second section is titled "Phylogenetic classification" and describes what the geneticists have indicated. In this manner, we have been thorough. Until the The International Society for Phylogenetic Nomenclature gets Phylocode operational, this is probably the best that we can provide to readers.
Regards, William Harristalk • 04:02, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
Maybe add something along the lines of: "The 3rd edition of Wilson & Reeder's Mammal Species of the World is the basis for the taxonomic framework used by WikiProject Mammals. The MSW3 classification may be overridden by the conclusions of more recent studies which are widely accepted in secondary sources."
I think it's sensible not to follow MSW3 in your work on Canis where more recent research contradicts it. I'm not quite sure about your subsections; phylogenetic trees can be constructed based on morphological characters (though morphology based phylogenetics is increasingly rare, morphology will continue to be the basis for phylogenies of taxa known only from fossils for the forseeable future). I'd just combine the subsections and have everything under Taxonomy (or Systematics). Plantdrew (talk) 16:01, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for your guidance, Plantdrew. I will also illustrate it with an example link to the Smithsonian. Do you know how the pronouncements of the International Commission on Zoological Nomenclature fits into this framework? Regards, 20:58, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
@William Harris: The ICZN covers the most objective aspects of taxonomy, but doesn't have much to do with the subjective aspects. The ICZN doesn't say that any particular species concept is right or wrong, but does indicate the appropriate scientific name for a given species concept. The Alexander Archipelago wolf could be a full species, Canis ligoni (though nobody is arguing that it is), a subspecies Canis lupus ligoni, or genetically distinctive population of C. l. nubilus; all of these scientific names are appropriate under the ICZN, which takes no position on which species concept is best. If the Alexander Archipelago, Vancouver Island and British Columbia wolves are treated together as a subspecies distinct from C. l. nubilus, ICZN rules would indicate that Canis lupus crassodon is the name for this entity (as it is the earliest published name of the three). Whoops, I'd just been reading the articles here, then I took a look at the Weckworth paper, which invalidates my previous sentence. Weckworth is calling the British Columbia wolf C. l. fuscus, and that name would be supported by the ICZN for an expanded subspecies that also includes ligoni and crassodon. At Wikipedia, we have the extinct Cascade mountain wolf as C. l. fuscus and their living cousins in British Columbia as C. l. columbianus. That's a bit of a mess to reconcile (the basic problem is that Weckworth isn't using the same species concepts as MSW3/Wikipedia). Plantdrew (talk) 00:40, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
Thanks @Plantdrew:, I can see how it becomes confused. Now that the coastal wolves have a new and influential supporter, we will see where the "Wayne-pack" take this next, see: Evolution of the wolf#Ecotypes Regards, William Harristalk • 07:13, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

Marine mammal for GA[edit]

I've nominated Marine mammal for GAR. Please start the review at this link. Thanks   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  03:10, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

Bluebuck at FAC[edit]

The multi-authored article Bluebuck is not at FAC[]https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Bluebuck/archive1&redirect=no, seems there are not many animal reviewers around these days, so have a stab! FunkMonk (talk) 11:54, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

Renaming Steller's sea cow[edit]

I'm proposing to rename the Steller's sea cow article to Hydrodamalis. See the discussion at the talk page. Thanks   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  02:55, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Mammal for GA[edit]

I've nominated Mammal for GAN. Please start the review if you feel like it. Thanks   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  02:07, 5 September 2016 (UTC)