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Pregnancy and fetuses.[edit]

Hello, mammal people. I've a concern regarding mammals and people.

We currently have Pregnancy and Pregnancy (mammals). Also Fetus and Fetus (biology). This seems backwards, to use a qualifier for the general topic, and leave the general term redirect to specific mammal issues. Sure, that mammal is homo sapiens, the only kind to read Wikipedia. But we're meant to be objective and neutral here. Even widely-held bias is bias, and directing humans to learn about their own kind rather than the general term they queried furthers this bias.

I saw this briefly discussed on the human pregnancy talk page, but years ago. Anybody up for change? Any opposed? InedibleHulk (talk) 05:06, December 6, 2013 (UTC)

New essay[edit]

There is a new essay Identifying primary and secondary sources for biology articles you are invited to comment on.DrChrissy (talk) 12:01, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Lead image discussion[edit]

Discussion opening up on whether to change the lead image for cattle, see here. Montanabw(talk) 23:21, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

Ape listed at Requested moves[edit]


A requested move discussion has been initiated for Ape to be moved to Hominoidea. This page is of interest to this WikiProject and interested members may want to participate in the discussion here. —RMCD bot 22:29, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Columbian mammoth at FAC[edit]

Columbian mammoth is currently nominated as a featured article candidate[1], any comments for its improvement are welcome. FunkMonk (talk) 10:07, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Humans on lists[edit]


I noticed that homo sapiens isn't included on the vast majority of the location lists. For instance - the featured List of mammals of Florida states there are 98 mammals in the state, but as that excludes humans surely it is one short?

A few lists, such as List of mammals of Europe do include them. I'd have thought that would be most appropriate approach?--Nilfanion (talk) 22:48, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Listing humans seems pedantic and is not really very useful: people use lists to learn what lives in a place. It is taken for granted that humans live in every country or populated place on earth and are only infrequent visitors elsewhere. We humans aren't listed in most reliable sources as "mammals of X", or "Fauna of X" so Wikipedia should not include us. --Animalparty! (talk) 23:10, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
Pedantic, yes, but there should be a consistent approach on all these lists - either include on all or exclude on all. And if excluded, there probably should be a minor mention before concentrating on the main task of talking about the primary subject. The native "range" of humanity does include every inhabited district after all. The IUCN Least Concern listing does cover all regions, so there is at least one reliable source for the ubiquity of humans.--Nilfanion (talk) 23:39, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
I'd personally support excluding them on all such lists - I agree that we should be consistent, but I also agree with Animalparty that this isn't particularly useful information. Anaxial (talk) 07:01, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
Thinking about this - what's missing is mention of humans in the leads. The lists often say they exclude domesticated and/or introduced species, that could be modified to say something like "The list excludes humans and animals introduced by humans".
The educational value of mentioning humans is not "man is native to X", but "man is an animal". The absence of humans is slightly jarring here, where they are mentioned twice but are not listed. In that particular case, they are included in the article's primary source.--Nilfanion (talk) 08:43, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
To mention humans in every single "fauna of X" list, category or article borders on the absurd. As for "include all or exclude all", I can only say that is also ridiculously pedantic. If someone wants to deal with the endless debate sure to ensue a bout of removing them all, knock yourself out, bucko, I'm not into that level of drama. Montanabw(talk) 04:35, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
As always, we should reflect what the sources do. Most sources that list native animals in various regions do not list humans among them. FunkMonk (talk) 06:23, 27 July 2015 (UTC)