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- Yup. Go crazy. Jasper420 17:00, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
Help me research Inner Terrestrials
I just stumbled on Draft:Inner Terrestrials - it is a fairly busy band in the British DIY and festival scene. With its interviews and reviews only in fanzines such as Peppermint Iguana, I don't think I should promote it to article space, as it is likely to quickly end up at Articles for Deletion. Can you help me with some research to find reliable sources to demonstrate notability? --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 09:51, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
There are 11 reviews and interviews listed at http://www.innerterrestrials.co.uk/category/reviews/ . Could someone familiar with the underground scene read through them and identify if we have at least one reliable source? (10 are in English and 1 in German) ( TheRoughneckRiot, Shufflecore, Warzone, Peppermint Iguana x 2, Beats, Bacteria, 1000 Aspirins, Reason to Believe, Live4Metal, Kink Records ) --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 11:55, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
Some originals of above I could find online (I guess the others are print only, subscription or defunct. Live4Metal is in the Wayback Machine, but I couldn't find this review there.)
- http://shufflecore.blogspot.co.uk/2012/02/inner-terrestrials-tales-of-terror.html Shufflecore review
- Machine translation of the German review at Kink Records
- http://www.bacteria.nl/newsletter_oct03.htm#26.09.03. Bacteria review
- I bet that Last Hours zine establishes notablity. I found an IT gig review from 2009. Also an interesting passing mention.
- I don't know if this couple of mentions in Google Books are significant coverage, or trivial.
- My conclusion is that the Last Hours review, along with the video interview of the band that Christopher Lee published, meet general notability guidelines, while the other reviews might bolster the case a little, particularly Peppermint Iguana, that seems to be quite well known in the scene.
- What do you think?
Before I wrote above, I hadn't read the 'Others' section of WP:MUSIC that says "Is frequently covered in publications devoted to a notable sub-culture" - above list will certainly make that argument. Let's move the draft to main article space. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 14:34, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
Spumuq posted at the Reliable Sources Noticeboard:
- Do you have a chosen reference that you think is an RS? I looked at the references but they did not look like RS to me. 13:41, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
This is my reply:
When I posted at Reliable Sources Noticeboard I hadn't read the non-mainstream section of the WP:MUSIC notability guideline. This is the latest list of sources that, on reflection, I personally consider to be reliable in this context.
- http://www.peppermintiguana.co.uk/SOUNDS/INTERVIEWS/INNERTERRESTRIALS.htm Inner Terrestrials peppermintiguana (Interview)
- "The Great Wreck ‘n’ Roll Circus". Last Hours. 26 Sep 2009. Retrieved 21 Jun 2015.
They were veterans of the the scene when I first got into punk rock, which was quite a few years ago now, but they are as vital as ever. They blur the lines between punk and ska but are anything but a ska punk band. They played a number of their ‘hits’ including Barry Horne and Enter The Dragon ... The Great Wreck ‘n’ Roll Circus was a fundraiser for a blockade preventing old growth deforestation in the Upper Florentine Forest, Tasmania(Review)
- Dibbits, Kat (28 Apr 2008). "Minions, Mise En Scene set to rock Blue Boar". The Bolton News, Bands in Profile via NewsBank. Retrieved 22 Jun 2015. (subscription required (. ))
if you've brought London punk legends Inner Terrestrials to play your venue you aren't doing too bad.(passing mention but reliable for mainstream opinion)
- Rees, Mark. "Legendary London squatter punk rockers' intimate Swansea date". South Wales Evening Post. Retrieved 21 June 2015. (mainstream regional gig notice - only used to support a sentence about a benefit gig; seems to contribute a little toward notability even though it mostly reprints the words of a promoter. )
- Brown, Nathan (21 Feb 2015). "RIP Paco Carreno drummer with Conflict and Inner Terrestrials". Louder Than War (magazine) (John Robb). Retrieved 21 Jun 2015.
Punks around the world were saddened at the news yesterday of the death at the age of 49 of Francisco “Paco” Carreno. Paco was a man who redefined punk rock drumming with the band’s Conflict and Inner Terrestrials.(Obit (published) by notable underground journalist John Robb (musician) )
- "SIR CHRISTOPHER LEE Dies Of Respiratory Problems And Heart Failure Aged 93". Metal Forces. 11 Jun 2015.
With London-based punk outfit Inner Terrestrials, in 2006 he recorded a metal variation of the composition ‘The Toreador Song’ from the 1875 opera Carmen, which appeared on the man’s 2006 platter Revelation.
- http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/report-actor-christopher-lee-records-heavy-metal-tune-sung-in-french-video-available/ (Seems to be a reliable quotation of a reputable wire service.)
- "Mr. Lee recording with Inner Terrestrials, the metal version of 'The Toreador March' from the album 'Revelation' (VIDEO 13MB)". Christopher Lee. Dec 2006. Archived from the original on 16 Feb 2007. (A primary source, but relatively independent, and easy to verify by watching the video.)
I think most of the others might be reliable. By 'others' I mean Bacteria, Kink Records and Shufflecore, according to WP:MUSIC, and the rest listed at the band's own site but not used in the article, (because I don't have access to the originals) but I don't know enough about the scene to decide.
Can we get a consensus on what the hell it's called? The article mentions the title four times and says something different each time.Jasper420 15:00, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
National albums/music charts
Proposal to rename, where appropriate, national music charts articles to territory and format rather than official name, so Swedish music charts rather than Sverigetopplistan, etc. Discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Record Charts#National Albums/Music Charts. SilkTork ✔Tea time 10:41, 8 November 2015 (UTC)