Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Radio Stations

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Disambiguation links on pages tagged by this wikiproject[edit]

Wikipedia has many thousands of wikilinks which point to disambiguation pages. It would be useful to readers if these links directed them to the specific pages of interest, rather than making them search through a list. Members of WikiProject Disambiguation have been working on this and the total number is now below 20,000 for the first time. Some of these links require specialist knowledge of the topics concerned and therefore it would be great if you could help in your area of expertise.

A list of the relevant links on pages which fall within the remit of this wikiproject can be found at Stations http://69.142.160.183/~dispenser/cgi-bin/topic_points.py?banner=WikiProject_Radio Stations

Please take a few minutes to help make these more useful to our readers.— Rod talk 18:22, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

It's not my field but I've started looking at a few pages such as 1130 AM. The first section (Argentina) consists of a redlink and a link to a disambiguation page. Does this project have any standards for dealing with this sort of problem? Do we want redlinks in these lists, and if so how should they be qualified to distinguish them from other uses (e.g. Show (radio station))? Certes (talk) 16:18, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
I am the one who is adding argentine statios to the lists. It is acceptable to include the stations with no link? I mean, in not always neccesary to include a link to a non extant (yet) page? If this is correct, i will start to retire this red links from the lists. Regards --Amanuense (talk) 10:39, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
It's a judgement call and I'd like to hear from subject experts, but I would say: if they're notable and should have an article, redlink them with an appropriate qualifier. Wikipedia:WikiProject Radio Stations#Article naming conventions says how to disambiguate from other similarly named stations: basically WFOO (Springfield). I don't see anything about what qualifier to use if the name conflicts only with non-radio articles, e.g. WFOO (radio station), but there's probably a project standard for that. If they're not notable and don't deserve an article, then they shouldn't be listed on a disambiguation page at all, though they could stay if the page is changed into a WP:set index. Any mentions elsewhere should probably become plain text without a link. Hope that helps, Certes (talk) 11:54, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
But, if the red links are incorrect, we should start to retire all of them from the lists, not only the argentinian ones... --Amanuense (talk) 10:19, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Coverage of flips[edit]

Me and @Alex jirgens: have gotten into conflicts over how detailed coverage of radio station format flips can be before they reach the level of trivia and intricate information, particularly mentioning first/last songs of formats, as well as use of sources such as formatchange.com to "cite" them.

My opinion is that if a reliable source outside of just a normal radio industry publication acknowledges that there is a significance to the first song or last song played in a format (KKLQ (FM) and playing "The End" at the end is a little obvious, but that their final DJ as a rock station played the entire album side it came from is a lot more significant.) can be appropriate. Routine flips by non-major stations do not have such historical significance.

While I'm here, this will also be a reply about their assertion that, in response to my argument that formatchange.com may violate WP:COPYVIOEL, that "An over-the-air radio broadcast can not be copyrighted"; actually, yes. Most broadcast regulators (CRTC, FCC, etc.) require that stations maintain a log and recordimgs of their on-air output for regulatory purposed. Copyright exists once something is fixed, plus, the legal definition of "fixed" in U.S. copyright law includes that "a work consisting of sounds, images, or both, that are being transmitted, is 'fixed' for purposes of this title if a fixation of the work is being made simultaneously with its transmission. On-air materials between the copyrighted musical recordings can qualify as a work for hire by the station's owner.

In the end, I'm not sure if we have any real consensus on this. I think we really need to address this, if not already. ViperSnake151  Talk  02:27, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

In order to include information about individual songs played by a radio station, even at a key event such as the initial launch or the temporal borders of a format flip, you're correct that what we require is verification in reliable sources. The station's "recently played" scroll on its website, further, is not appropriate verification, because it can usually only be accessed for a few days before it expires — so we would need a permanent and enduring source writing about the station's choice of song. And you're correct that an OTA radio broadcast most certainly can be copyrighted, in exactly the same way that television stations most certainly can slap YouTube with a takedown order if somebody uploads a broadcast TV segment without permission. Typically radio or television stations won't bother unless the content somehow reflects poorly on them, but they absolutely do have the right to enforce a copyright takedown on YouTube or an aircheck site like formatchange.com — so our copyright rules, under which we can't source stuff to unauthorized copies of broadcast content on sites that aren't that content's copyright holder, do preclude using formatchange as the source.
I'm less sure about whether a radio industry trade publication would be insufficient; it certainly fits the verifiability bill, but you're right that it's weaker as a notability builder than general-market media coverage is. (For example, a radio personality wouldn't necessarily get an article just because they could technically be sourced to the employment notes column in a radio industry tradepub.) Bearcat (talk) 20:38, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Sirius/XM channels[edit]

Earlier today, User:Zacharycook597 proposed several pagemoves of channels on the Sirius/XM platform. In two of the four discussions, at Talk:SiriusXM Hits 1 and Talk:The Highway (Sirius XM), his entire rationale consisted of the single word "revision" without actually providing a reason why a revision was needed — but more importantly the other two, at Talk:Sirius XM Pops and Talk:SiriusXM Love, are effectively in conflict with each other, as on Pops he's proposing removing the space between Sirius and XM from a title that has it, and on Love he's proposing adding a space between Sirius and XM to a title that doesn't have it.

I've asked him to hold off on proposing any more page moves for the moment, but there's obviously a consistency problem that needs to be looked at here: should the titles of Sirius/XM channels have a space between Sirius and XM, or should they not? As things stand right now, most have the space but there are several that don't — so either way, we need to review whether it should be with space or without, and move the outliers.

I also question whether we still need to hold on to separate categories for Category:Sirius Satellite Radio channels and Category:XM Satellite Radio channels anymore, but I don't want to initiate a CFM discussion on them until it's clear whether the merge target should be "SiriusXM" or "Sirius XM". Bearcat (talk) 17:35, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

According to the company copyright, the company is "Sirius XM Radio Inc." So, while it is written "SiriusXM" (in the logo), it is "Sirius XM" and that's how it should stand. Since Sirius XM has been a combined platform for awhile now, I don't see the reason for seperate categories. They should be merged. - NeutralhomerTalk • 02:07 on January 15, 2018 (UTC)
While I agree with Neutralhomer's statement regarding the space in "Sirius XM", I disagree regarding the categories. From my understanding, although the companies have merged, there are still differences in the channel lineup depending on whether you have an XM radio or a Sirius radio, as can be seen by comparing the XM channel guide with the Sirius channel guide (last updated "October 12, 2017" according to the date on the bottom). I had Sirius in a rental vehicle recently and I noted that there were certain stations I could not receive that were listed as "XM only". - Vanstrat ((🗼)) 06:24, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
Since the vast majority of the channel lineup is common to both types of radio, and only a select few stations are still either XM-only or Sirius-only, I'd suggest that we should still keep the shared stations in a shared category — instead of just merging them wholesale, we could always also rename the two existing categories to names that have "only" or "exclusive" in them, and keep them as smaller categories for the exclusive stations. Bearcat (talk) 16:29, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
Bearcat: So you mean, merge the categories into one SiriusXM category, but the exclusive channels would have an "XM exclusive" or "Sirius exclusive" category? - NeutralhomerTalk • 21:58 on January 15, 2018 (UTC)
It would be more that we would create a new parent category for "Sirius XM channels" (or some similar name), and move the ones that are common to both types of radios up to it, but keep these as subcategories of it (with renames to make it clearer that they were meant only for the exclusives.) Bearcat (talk) 22:01, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
I have no issues with Bearcat's recommendation; it would remove the current redundancy and keep the differences clear. - Vanstrat ((🗼)) 05:41, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
Yup, works for me too. Support Bearcat's recommendation. - NeutralhomerTalk • 20:02 on January 16, 2018 (UTC)

KQVN & its related Part 15 stations[edit]

It looks like somebody made a page for their Part 15 stations. The station calls itself KQVN. It's in the Thosand Oaks, California market, but has no notability currently. I don't like deleting things, but these stations don't seem to pass the notability tests & appear to be just hobby stations. There's an A.M. on 1620, & 2 F.M.s on 99.3 & 106.1. Any input would be appreciated, thanks!Stereorock (talk) 01:01, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

Part 15s are not notable under NMEDIA, which is the policy that gives all radio station articles their notablity. Unless there is wide coverage in third-party sources about the station (which there never is), then it's not notable. This is the case here. Nom it for deletion. - NeutralhomerTalk • 08:13 on February 1, 2018 (UTC)

Proposed addition to "Body" section[edit]

I propose that the following be added at the end of the existing "body" section:

A simple list of on-air personalities falls in the area of an employee directory; see WP:NOTDIRECTORY. A simple enumeration of airstaff history is not particularly informative either. Ideally, mentions of on-air personnel should be interwoven with the station's history, describing how each person mentioned helped shape the station's format, or affected the ratings, or even how their time at the station affected them, etc.; persons who did not have such an effect and are otherwise not WP-notable (i.e. they do not have their own WP article) should generally be omitted.

Jeh (talk) 17:33, 1 April 2018 (UTC)