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Index of Sri Lanka related articles[edit]

Hi I noticed that while there are all-inclusive index articles for most countries (e.g Index of Japan-related articles or Index of India-related articles), there isn’t one, unusually, for Sri Lanka. I’m interested in starting one myself and wondered if anyone knew why there isn’t one currently, or if there’s any objection to having one? Thanks, Mccapra (talk) 09:45, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

It was not considered to have one for SL. Go ahead 👍 Like --AntanO 09:57, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
Great thanks. My new project. Mccapra (talk) 11:05, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

The article now exists at Index of Sri Lanka-related articles. If you are creating or editing an article about Sri Lanka, please consider adding it to the index. For example, there is very little in there yet about cricket. Thanks Mccapra (talk) 10:11, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

@Mccapra: Thank you very much for idea and contribution! I have initiated to expand the list like Index of Japan-related articles. So far, I have collected list of articles and creating one by one. Anyway, I would like to hear your comments as well as your contributions. The lists that I have created (List 0-9 & List A) could be missed some articles and added irrelevant articles. Therefore, I need review. Thanks! --AntanO 04:31, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
Lists are created and ready. See {{TopicTOC-Country-Sri Lanka}}. However, give me some time to add some more link. I will Let you know once I complete. --AntanO 06:40, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
A-E lists are updated. Could check them while I update rest of the lists? --AntanO 09:48, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
Hi AntanO thanks for your messages. I’ve been out today so only just come back to see what you’ve done. Wow! I can’t believe how fast you’ve worked. You must have been working fir ages to collect all those articles. I think the index looks really great now.Mccapra (talk) 11:01, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Other Wikiproject members should know that while I started this index article off, about 95% of the work has been done by AntanO who has evidently been researching and preparing content for such an index for a VERY long time! Mccapra (talk) 11:23, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

there is a problem with this however. The material does not follow the standard for an English-language index, in which items are listed by surname. In the current index for example, C. Sandanayake is indexed under C rather than under S where it should be. This means that if you don’t know someone’s initial, they are impossible to find on the index. This doesn’t make sense.Mccapra (talk) 13:31, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
my guess is that there are around 50,000 articles in the index, of which about 15-18,000 need to be removed and replaced. Does anyone have any bright idea about a way to speed this up? Mccapra (talk) 16:28, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
I have done all updated. Again I request you all to review and take necessary action. I agree with Mccapra and expect your response. Thanks --AntanO 03:03, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
Hi AntanO I’ve been thinking about this for a couple of days, and I have some suggestions. My problems with the changes you’ve made are:
  • firstly and most importantly, that around 1/3 of articles are wrongly placed, meaning this article can’t function as an index.
  • secondly, some letters have more than a thousand articles. I think it’s not helpful to have this number of articles displayed under a single letter. The best way is to divide them further, as in Index of Japan-related articles, where if you select ‘A’ you get a subordinate menu offering Ab, Ac, Ad, Ae etc.
  • I don’t think it’s much help to number all the articles in each list. Other indexes I’ve seen in Wikipedia don’t do this.

I’m not sure what kind of file you’ve stored these tens of thousands of articles in off wiki, so I don’t know technically what may be the best way of dealing with them. But anyway, here’s my suggestion:

1. I’m going to ask you to roll back all your edits except for one. This section you added works fine – Index of Sri Lanka-related articles (0–9). If you can take the numbers off and split it up by number, that would be great. All the other material you added needs to come out, I’m afraid.

2. Off wiki, if it’s possible, collect all the articles about people which follow the format Initial letter + Surname, (e.g. F.R. Ellis, put them into a single list and sort them alphabetically by surname (maybe someone has a script for this?) and then add them to the article under the correct letter for their surname.

3. Off wiki, collect all the one-word articles and insert them into the article alphabetically.

This will leave a residual number of several thousand articles that have more than one word in the title and are not initial + surname. I will work through these with you manually to put them under the correct letter.

Does this sound like a workable plan? Does anyone else have other suggestions? Thanks Mccapra (talk) 17:14, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi AntanO what do you think about these suggestions? We can’t just leave the article as it is I’m afraid because it no longer works properly as an index. I’m very happy to work with you on sorting all the material you’ve added, but I don’t believe it can stay in it’s present format. Do you think it might be helpful for us to ask for a Third Opinion on this? Mccapra (talk) 13:16, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
Hi, I am sorry I missed your comments. Look at 0–9 & A. I have mistakenly included some unwanted articles in list. Also, I don't know which one should be in and out. I am not clear about names since Sri Lanka's practice differs than others. (eg: J. R. Jayewardene – Here, J.R. is much famous, but Premadasa is much easy. Again Ranil is famous than Wickremesinghe). Therefore, I requested others to comment. What do you think? --AntanO 07:10, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
Hi AntanO. I think 0–9 is absolutely fine because everything is in the correct order so this section works as an index. However A is no good. For example the article A. J. M. Muzammil must be filed under ‘M’ for this to work as an index. Filing it under ‘A’ just means nobody can find it. If I’m looking for an article about a Sri Lankan politician called Muzammil I’ll go to ‘M’, see it’s not there, and assume there is no such article. Why on earth would I go to look under ‘A’? The way you have set this index up requires a user of the encyclopaedia to always know what the first name of a person is (which they often won’t), and then always use that to search.
An index article works by a standard set of rules that apply across all articles. It does not depend on whether a person is better known in their own country by their initials. Margaret Thatcher was commonly known in Britain as Mrs T, but that doesn’t mean you find her indexed in Wikipedia under ‘M’ for Mrs.
In the case of Ranil Wickremesinghe, if there is a good chance that some people might search for him under ‘Ranil ’ rather than ‘Wickremesinghe’, the answer is that he needs two entries on the index, the main one under W. and another one under R linking to it.
I agree with you it is hard to know which should be in and which should be out, but because you have added thousands of articles, the only way to do it is to take them all out (except 0-9, which is fine) and then rebuild it systematically.Mccapra (talk) 01:14, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
In Mahinda Rajapaksa case, Mahinda is first name and Rajapaksa is family name. In Velupillai Prabhakaran case, Velupillai is father's name and second one is first name. Likewise, using name differs in Sri Lanka. I just wanted to tell the practice in Sri Lanka. Anyway, I have no objection. I don't understand the line the only way to do it is to take them all out. Already, you can mentioned to revert my edit. What does it mean? Once you created article you cannot revert, but delete. --AntanO 02:54, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
Hi AntanO yes I understand that not all names in Sri Lanka follow the same order. Velupillai Prabhakaran will probably need an entry on the index both under P and under V. Because names do not all follow the same format, they will have to be added manually unless some better general process can be found.
What I am asking you to do is to leave the 0-9 section you added and roll back all your other changes so that we can begin adding all the articles individually and manually, in the proper place. I believe you have the ability to roll back. Thanks Mccapra (talk) 09:06, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
I think we can move to appropriate places. Also, it is easy to remove unsuited articles. --AntanO 15:44, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
Yes we can move them into the right places and I’m happy to work with you on this. It will be a very big project. However the published index must be ‘clean’ so we need to strip the article back to this revision so we have a clean start. We can work off wiki to sort the new articles out, and add them in day by day.Mccapra (talk) 22:00, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
No problem, but I suggest to work in individual article. I think that would be easy. What do you think? If you have some idea, do and i will follow. --AntanO 03:05, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Otherwise, you/we can add this revision to proper places.

Thanks. I’m busy today but I’ll make a start tomorrow evening.Mccapra (talk) 13:32, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Restarting Index of Sri-Lanka Related Articles[edit]

I've just started work again on this article and I'm afraid it is much worse than I realised. AntanO has imported thousands and thousands of articles which have nothing to do with Sri Lanka - Kannada films, Bangladeshi politicians, Pakistani cricketers and goodness knows what else into an index of articles about Sri Lanka. The whole thing is such a total mess now - even before we get to the question of alphabetical order - so I've reverted his edit, gone back to the version I left ten days ago,and will continue to add articles, one by one, which are actually about Sri Lanka, and which are in the correct order.Mccapra (talk) 13:41, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

I've been following this topic and I think that is a good idea. The previous edits were not very organised and off topic. The new version is looking good. I also suggest you to use this: Category:WikiProject Sri Lanka articles. Its all the articles within WikiProject Sri Lanka. Every article here should be sufficiently related to Sri Lanka and hence can go into the index.--Blackknight12 (talk) 14:58, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Members of Parliament, 1947[edit]

I've just completed articles for every member of the 1st Parliament of Ceylon, would appreciate a second set of eyes to check whether there are any errors. I appreciate that some of them are just stubs however in those cases there was little information to go on. Otherwise I'll make a start on the members of the 2nd Parliament of Ceylon. Dan arndt (talk) 08:33, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Good work Dan, I've been following your work closely and I like seeing your new articles. I have some suggestions, of course most common name is the standard, but could we try to use a first name and last name formula when we can? Also when listing each office in the info box I think it would be best if we can list each office by hierarchy and from most recent position at the top to least at the bottom, such as this here: I. M. R. A. Iriyagolla. Other than that, your work looks great. Thanks!--Blackknight12 (talk) 12:45, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Please come and help...[edit]

Greetings! I have recently relisted for the third time a requested move debate at Talk:List of Sinhalese monarchs#Requested move 1 January 2018, regarding a page related to this WikiProject. Your opinion and rationale are needed so a consensus can be achieved. Thank you and Happy Publishing!  Paine Ellsworth  put'r there  19:46, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Confusion regarding sport shooter, Malee Wickremasinghe[edit]

I have a doubt regarding a name of a sport shooter which confused me when I try to write an article about Malee Wickremasinghe a 1994 Commonwealth Games medalist in shooting. But when I attempted to write that article, I found an existing article with the title Malini Wickramasinghe who was also a Sri Lankan sport shooter born in 1964. But the article creator as mentioned that she has competed only at the Olympics. I even couldn't verify that Malini Wickramasinghe is the same person who could also be referred to as Malee Wickremasinghe. Please help me out with this if possible. Thanks in advance. Abishe (talk) 17:36, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

@Abishe: It could be that whoever created the Malini Wickramasinghe didn't do much research and was only focused on the Olympics. This source says Malini Wickramasinghe (born 22 July 1994) took part in shooting events in the 1996 and 2000 Olympics. This source says that a K Wickremasinghe took part in shooting events in the 1994 Commonwealth Games. Could be the same person but Wickramasinghe is a common name. You need to do some digging to see if Malini Wickramasinghe and K Wickremasinghe are the same person.--Obi2canibe (talk) 21:32, 4 February 2018 (UTC)