User talk:Joplinfan1

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Speedy deletion nomination of All American Foods[edit]

A tag has been placed on All American Foods requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an article with no content whatsoever, or whose contents consist only of external links, "See also" section, book reference, category tag, template tag, interwiki link, rephrasing of the title, or an attempt to contact the subject of the article. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the page does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that they userfy the page or have a copy emailed to you. Abce2|AccessDenied 20:00, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Removing Speedy at All American Foods[edit]

Please do not remove speedy deletion tags from articles you created, as you did with All American Foods. If you do not believe the article deserves to be deleted, then please do the following:

Place {{hangon}} on the page. Please do not remove any existing speedy deletion tag(s).
Make your case on the article's talk page.

Administrators will look at your reasoning before deciding what to do with the article. Thank you. - SDPatrolBot (talk) 20:12, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not remove speedy deletion notices from pages you have created yourself, as you did with All American Foods. Please use the {{hangon}} template on the page instead if you disagree with the deletion, and make your case on the page's talk page. Thank you. - SDPatrolBot (talk) 20:20, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of All American Foods[edit]

A tag has been placed on All American Foods, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read the guidelines on spam as well as Wikipedia:FAQ/Business for more information.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the page does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that they userfy the page or have a copy emailed to you. Abce2|AccessDenied 20:27, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Removing Speedy at All American Foods[edit]

Please do not remove speedy deletion tags from articles you created, as you did with All American Foods. If you do not believe the article deserves to be deleted, then please do the following:

Place {{hangon}} on the page. Please do not remove any existing speedy deletion tag(s).
Make your case on the article's talk page.

Administrators will look at your reasoning before deciding what to do with the article. Thank you. - SDPatrolBot (talk) 20:32, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Conflict of interest guidelines[edit]

If you have a close connection to some of the people, places or things you have written about on Wikipedia, you may have a conflict of interest. In keeping with Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy, edits where there is a conflict of interest, or where such a conflict might reasonably be inferred from the tone of the edit and the proximity of the editor to the subject, are strongly discouraged. If you have a conflict of interest, you should avoid or exercise great caution when:

editing or creating articles related to you, your organization, or its competitors, as well as projects and products they are involved with;
participating in deletion discussions about articles related to your organization or its competitors; and
linking to the Wikipedia article or website of your organization in other articles (see Wikipedia:Spam).

Please familiarize yourself with relevant policies and guidelines, especially those pertaining to neutral point of view, verifiability of information, and autobiographies.

For information on how to contribute to Wikipedia when you have conflict of interest, please see our frequently asked questions for organizations. For more details about what, exactly, constitutes a conflict of interest, please see our conflict of interest guidelines. Thank you. Hairhorn (talk) 20:35, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This account, Joplinfan1, has been blocked indefinitely from editing Wikipedia, because your username does not meet our username policy.

This is often not a reflection on the user, and you are encouraged to choose a new account name which does meet our guidelines and are invited to contribute to Wikipedia under an appropriate username. If you feel this block was made in error, you may quickly and easily appeal it—see below.

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Last, the automated software systems that prevent vandalism may have been activated, which can cause new account creation to be blocked also. If you have not acted in a deliberately inappropriate manner, please let us know if this happens, and we will deactivate the block as soon as possible. You may also appeal this username block by adding the text {{unblock|Your reason here}} on your user talk page or emailing the administrator who blocked you. Cirt (talk) 21:42, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Your request to be unblocked has been granted for the following reason(s):

Allowing username change to joplinfan1 (talk · contribs). Please put this request in at Wikipedia:Changing username as soon as possible to avoid re-blocking.

Request handled by: Mango juice^talk 22:56, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Unblocking administrator: Please check for active autoblocks on this user after accepting the unblock request.

Do you understand WP:COI and WP:Advert? If you are unblocked, what types of articles do you intend to edit? Toddst1 (talk) 14:52, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Also, admins should note similar edits by Aafinc (talk · contribs) and Promixluvr (talk · contribs), both blocked indef. Daniel Case (talk) 14:53, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Response[edit]

Through your help and assistance, I have become very familiarized with WP:COI and WP:Advert. If I am given the privlidge to edit pages, my first action would be to tailor my active pages to meet those guidelines, along with improving tone and references. This is my first account and experience with editing pages on wikipedia. I apologize for being overwhelmed with the rules, and I understand that pleading ignorance may not be a good enough excuse. That is why I plead for a second chance with the knowledge that I have gained reading through WP:COI and WP:Advert.

In response to (User talk:Daniel Case), I created those two accounts out of shear ignorance for the rules. That is why I returned to my first user name(this one) and am going through the formal process of appealing. From what first read, I thought creating a new user name was legal, but through my learning experience, I found out that it fails under WP:SOCK. For the troubles I apologize, but I can only give you my word that I have learned my lesson, that that a second chance would be greatly appreciated. Also any tips or help would be great. Thanks! Aafoods (talk) 15:04, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't feel comfortable unblocking you based on this response. Your page on All American Foods has been deleted, and as you are obviously strongly affiliated with this company it would be inappropriate to allow you to create a new article. See WP:BESTCOI for the kind of behavior we expect from people trying to edit with a conflict of interest. If you have contributions to make that are not related to this company, you can be unblocked to work on those, but we cannot allow you to continue pushing an article on your company. Mango juice^talk 18:10, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There have been other people from the Wikipedia community who have been editing the All American Foods page. The only reason why my first All American Foods page was deleted is that I accidentally posted an empty page which was put up for speedy deletion. I don't want to make the same mistake twice, meaning pushing the rules. I just want to have the opportunity to make small grammatical changes to the page since there are still errors. I also have more sources to prove notability, but cannot post because I'm blocked. Please take a look at the current All American Foods page and the work that needs to be done to it. Thanks for your help. Aafoods (talk) 18:20, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

WP:BESTCOI does allow obviously non-controversial changes to be made directly, such as editing for grammar or typos or correcting simple mistakes. Can you agree to work in that framework? Mango juice^talk 19:11, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I can. Thank you for your help. I'm just trying to learn how to follow the rules and your assistance has helped. Thank you. Aafoods (talk) 19:35, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I've unblocked you so you can request renaming and get on with appropriate editing. Mango juice^talk 22:56, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've reblocked you indefinitely. After you've promised to avoid all article edits other than simple corrections, you added references, made significant expansion, including POV language, and have made no attempt at discussion. Mango juice^talk 10:42, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In addition, your attempt to circumvent your restriction via a new account, User:Endorean, was detected and that account has been blocked. Mango juice^talk 12:58, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

{{unblock|I was unaware that WP:BESTCOI prohibited adding sources. I thought it was only adding sources from the internal company. The sources that I added were from outside the organization. I also was forthcoming with my intentions to add sourcing. You and other administrators were watching my page, and seemed to have no problems with me doing those edits. I also changed the phrasing, which to me is a minor edit in order to try and have a better, more neutral WP:POV. There is a coworker, who is named User:Endorean. He made one post on the All American Foods page, which was within the lines of WP:Product which you declared as spam. As I'm sure you know that WP:Product allows the listing of products and services.

Also,User:Endoreanis not a WP:SOCK. I wouldn't have jeopardized my relationship with Wikipedia by creating another account to circumvent the rules. He is a coworker of mine, and is a separate person. I understand they were flagged because of similar IP's but there is no rule stating that it is un-lawful for another person to an account on the same IP. It should follow under WP:COWORKER. I now understand we should have communicated and posted that we were different persons affiliated with the same company. There was no intention to circumvent anything done by the administrators at Wikipedia. There was no intention of collusion either. We just work together and it turned out that he created his username on our IP, flagging it. There still is a WP:COI, just two people. I already got in trouble for creating another accounts, and was unblocked after stating that I wouldn't do that again, and have NO intentions to do it. I apologize for this, and I don't want to create any more issues. Please help. Joplinfan1 (talk) 13:57, 11 June 2009 (UTC)}}[reply]

I for one am firmly against unblocking if you are going to continue trying to edit the article on your company. You were given a chance to abide by WP:BESTCOI and you did very poorly at that. You made no talk page comments and showed no restraint in posting new material. You substantially changed the introduction, adding claims like that AAF has "state of the art" facilities and that AAF develops products for customer specifications. Frankly, your edits read like an advertising flyer. This is even ignoring the activities of the other account. The timing of your edits and Endorean's is suspicious, as is the fact that you had previously created alternate accounts, and that you broke your promise to cease editing promotionally. All American Foods has never had anyone working to list it on Wikipedia before and now two in the same week? It's not a coincidence, there is some kind of connection, we see this kind of thing all the time. Mango juice^talk 16:33, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I, or other members of this IP will not edit the page directly again. How about this...If we want to implement changes and edits, we just go directly to the talk page like you suggested to share our ideas. WP:BESTCOI is not policy, it is just a helpful page to inform people about COI and gives recommendations on how to follow it. It is obvious that you put a lot of hard work into that page, and I can see why you want me to follow the rules. Since you seem to have a keen eye on the page, would you be interested in monitoring the All American Foods talk page and screening edits before then? I thought you were originally okay with what I was editing, since the edits were kept on the page. Also through my research of the rules, it seems that there are no set rules stating it is prohibited for me to edit the All American Foods page. That is why there is a WP:COI tag on top of the All American Foods page warning viewers of the COI. It is similar to the tag above the WP:BESTCOI page telling viewers to consider views with discretion. If I am mistaken with the rules, I look to your help in pointing them out to me, because I'm sure you know there are endless policies which you know much better than I do. Thank you for your response, and I hope we can work something out. Do you have MSN? Something that we could chat with? I would be looking forward to gaining some easier form of communication so we can get on the same page. Thanks again for your help! Joplinfan1 (talk) 16:52, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You were to follow WP:BESTCOI because you were unblocked on that condition, not because it is policy in itself. I'm going to stop responding to you at this point: it's time you heard from another admin. Mango juice^talk 17:17, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

FYI, I'm reviewing this, discussion at Mangojuice's talk page. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 19:30, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Your request to be unblocked has been granted for the following reason(s):

COI not sufficient reason for indefinite block

Request handled by: The Uninvited Co., Inc. 21:32, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Unblocking administrator: Please check for active autoblocks on this user after accepting the unblock request.

Unblock[edit]

Hi, I've unblocked you, so you can resume editing.

Please keep two things in mind:

You must respect copyright, particularly with images. Wikipedia takes copyright matters extremely seriously, and you can't upload a photo unless you took it yourself, unless you have a written permission release from the person who took it. This is important because the photos are subject to redistribution once uploaded.
Edits must be neutral in tone. You'll have to take off your marketing hat and write as though you're a newspaper reporter. This isn't your corporate web site, it's an encyclopedia.

I live in southern Minnesota and understand the importance of the ingredient business to the area economy and will try to lend a sympathetic ear to what you're doing. You still have to follow the rules, however. In this light I've edited the article on your employer to help get it to meet our standards here. Please contact me if you have any questions or need help.

The Uninvited Co., Inc. 21:42, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have a problem (and I doubt if anyone else here would have a problem) with you editing the article on your employer provided you're adding neutral information rather than commentary and hyperbole. See the guidelines you've been given by others, avoid such turns of phrase as "state of the art," don't add the TM and (R) symbols which I imagine your legal department has told you to use. Any facts that you have released on number of employees, major customers, major suppliers, and finances can be included. If there have been articles about you in the Free Press or Star Tribune, use those as sources, include the information from them, and cite them. Wikipedia has a shortage of photos of production processes, and if you have high-quality photos (or are willing to have them taken) of your process that the photographer will release under a suitable Creative Commons license, those will help and would be likely to see reuse in other articles unrelated to your company. Take a look at the food and industrial process categories at commons to see what I mean. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 15:52, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]