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- Tommyjb · (talk · contribs · deleted · cross-wiki · wikichecker · count · pages created · auto edits· logs · block log · lu · rfar · rfc · rfcu · ssp · spi · search an, ani, cn, an3) (assign permissions)
- It would be very handy for reverting vandalism Tommyjb (talk) 10:50, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
- Sorry
Not done at this time. Just 100 edits with only a very few vandal reversions. Also this edit summary was inapropriate when it was a content dispute. Pedro : Chat 15:29, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, sorry, I realise now that that was inappropriate. I wonder how many edits are required before getting rollback. I have actually made several vandalism reversions since the above request. (I've been patrolling the Recent Changes list, which is quite addictive. :-) —Tommyjb Talk! (00:22, 30 May 2011)
- To any admin, could I have a reconsideration, please? I am reverting a lot of vandalism, and this function would be useful. —Tommyjb Talk! (21:38, 30 May 2011)
- You're definitely doing a jolly good job, but your experience is still a bit too limited, in my opinion. My advice would be to use WP:TWINKLE, a great tool that makes fighting vandalism very easy, for a couple of weeks and then come back here and rerequest rollback. Salvio Let's talk about it! 23:23, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
- To any admin, could I have a reconsideration, please? I am reverting a lot of vandalism, and this function would be useful. —Tommyjb Talk! (21:38, 30 May 2011)
- Yes, sorry, I realise now that that was inappropriate. I wonder how many edits are required before getting rollback. I have actually made several vandalism reversions since the above request. (I've been patrolling the Recent Changes list, which is quite addictive. :-) —Tommyjb Talk! (00:22, 30 May 2011)
- Sorry
- Buster40004 · (talk · contribs · deleted · cross-wiki · wikichecker · count · pages created · auto edits· logs · block log · lu · rfar · rfc · rfcu · ssp · spi · search an, ani, cn, an3) (assign permissions)
- I would like to help Wikipedia by removing vandalism. I ran across my first article today (Wikipedia talk:Starting an article), and manually removed it, the first of many, I hope to repair.
Buster40004 Regards, Terry 01:22, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
- (Non-administrator observation) Rollback is usually given to those who have experience in reverting vandalism. I'm not an admin, but I'd like to point out that this request likely won't be granted, simply because you don't have enough reverts. Work with Twinkle for a while, have some more reverts under your belt, and then come back to request. Cheers, —mc10 (t/c) 02:31, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks for the advice. I was overcome with joy when I found the article with obvious need, and I want to be as useful as I can be. I will give Twinkle a shot.
- Buster40004 Regards, Terry 02:34, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
Not done Per above. Dabomb87 (talk) 21:32, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
- Therexbanner · (talk · contribs · deleted · cross-wiki · wikichecker · count · pages created · auto edits· logs · block log · lu · rfar · rfc · rfcu · ssp · spi · search an, ani, cn, an3) (assign permissions)
- I've been dealing with vandalism for quite some time now. The rollback feature would greatly speed up my efforts. Therexbanner (talk) 15:57, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
Not done for the moment. You're doing a jolly good job, but, after reverting vandalism, you're not issuing warnings. You can use WP:TWINKLE, for the moment, which makes fighting vandalism and issuing warnings very easy. Salvio Let's talk about it! 18:00, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
- Island Monkey · (talk · contribs · deleted · cross-wiki · wikichecker · count · pages created · auto edits· logs · block log · lu · rfar · rfc · rfcu · ssp · spi · search an, ani, cn, an3) (assign permissions)
- Well, I've had another week of experience. What about now? Island Monkey talk the talk 20:06, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
Not done. Give it another two or three months, before requesting rollback. You've been only here less than a month... Salvio Let's talk about it! 20:29, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
- Template:Editor note As a suggestion why not stay with Twinkle ? I've had rollback for about a year and a half and have found Twinkle to be far better than Rollback. Mlpearc powwow 21:34, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
- I don't want rollback, I just want this right to use Huggle. Island Monkey talk the talk 07:03, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
- Template:Editor note As a suggestion why not stay with Twinkle ? I've had rollback for about a year and a half and have found Twinkle to be far better than Rollback. Mlpearc powwow 21:34, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
- Macspaunday · (talk · contribs · deleted · cross-wiki · wikichecker · count · pages created · auto edits· logs · block log · lu · rfar · rfc · rfcu · ssp · spi · search an, ani, cn, an3) (assign permissions)
- An IP-address user has been committing the same vandalism since 2007 from four different addresses, as described (with links) on his user page, linked here. He has now started up again after a gap of a year or two, and I would be grateful to have a means of undoing his vandalism with a single click. I've also requested an IP block, but if it doesn't come through, then the Rollback tool would be very useful. Thank you. Macspaunday (talk) 20:25, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
Done Dabomb87 (talk) 21:35, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
- Noformation · (talk · contribs · deleted · cross-wiki · wikichecker · count · pages created · auto edits· logs · block log · lu · rfar · rfc · rfcu · ssp · spi · search an, ani, cn, an3) (assign permissions)
- I've become more involved with reverting vandalism on WP lately and I would like to use huggle, which requires rollback rights Noformation (talk) 23:34, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
Not done Good job reverting vandalism, but you need to notify/warn all users when reverting vandalism. Consider using WP:TWINKLE. -- DQ (t) (e) 12:02, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
Done Per my talkpage. -- DQ (t) (e) 21:18, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
- Killerserv · (talk · contribs · deleted · cross-wiki · wikichecker · count · pages created · auto edits· logs · block log · lu · rfar · rfc · rfcu · ssp · spi · search an, ani, cn, an3) (assign permissions)
- Requesting Roll Back Permission to help keep wikipedia safe from vandalism and inproper edits KillerservTalk 01:51, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
Not done I'm sorry, your last vandal revert and notification was in Apr 2009, and I see very few vandal reverts/notifications. -- DQ (t) (e) 12:04, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
- DiscipleOfKnowledge · (talk · contribs · deleted · cross-wiki · wikichecker · count · pages created · auto edits· logs · block log · lu · rfar · rfc · rfcu · ssp · spi · search an, ani, cn, an3) (assign permissions)
- I have been on Wikipedia for quite some time now and kindly request this feature to make life easier in combating vandalism. I believe that I am ready to carry this responsibility having proven myself a dilligent and trustworthy editor. User:DiscipleOfKnowledge (talk) 06:14, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
Not done I do not see the vandalism reverts and/or notification on user talk pages. Consider using WP:TWINKLE to assist you. When you have some vandalism reverts and notifications, feel free to come back here. -- DQ (t) (e) 11:59, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
- Feedintm · (talk · contribs · deleted · cross-wiki · wikichecker · count · pages created · auto edits· logs · block log · lu · rfar · rfc · rfcu · ssp · spi · search an, ani, cn, an3) (assign permissions)
- I want to use Huggle for faster identification of vandalism. Cheers! Feedintm (talk) 13:34, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
Done Dabomb87 (talk) 02:30, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
- Thank you! Cheers! Feedintm (talk) 03:11, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
- MrJosiahT · (talk · contribs · deleted · cross-wiki · wikichecker · count · pages created · auto edits· logs · block log · lu · rfar · rfc · rfcu · ssp · spi · search an, ani, cn, an3) (assign permissions)
- Though I'm a new editor, I'm eager to help make a difference and have begun looking at GUI applications that make editing and moderating easier. I'm requesting Rollback so that I can use Huggle. Vandalism on Wikipedia bothers me and I'd like to help fight back. I beleive that access to verifiable information is a basic human right, and one that Wikipedia can assist in. MrJosiahT (talk) 22:38, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
Not done Hi! It's great to see that you're interested in helping out, but you don't have enough experience reverting vandalism to receive the rollback tool just yet. For now, try using semi-automated tools such as Twinkle or Lupin's script and come back when you've spent some time recent-changes patrolling. Good luck! Dabomb87 (talk) 02:27, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
- 1966batfan · (talk · contribs · deleted · cross-wiki · wikichecker · count · pages created · auto edits· logs · block log · lu · rfar · rfc · rfcu · ssp · spi · search an, ani, cn, an3) (assign permissions)
- Reason for requesting rollback 1966batfan (talk) 21:00, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
For reverting vandalism.--1966batfan (talk) 21:00, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
Not done Whilst you have made many good vandal reversions this was a poor choice of edit summary to what looks like a good faith content decision. You should also warn accounts/IP's if you want to work actively on counter-vandalism work. Of your 200 or so edits I've not got enough to be persuaded to add the flag at this time, but would ask you request it again soon - after getting more varied experience. Pedro : Chat 21:31, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
- Dolovis · (talk · contribs · deleted · cross-wiki · wikichecker · count · pages created · auto edits· logs · block log · lu · rfar · rfc · rfcu · ssp · spi · search an, ani, cn, an3) (assign permissions)
- to remove vandalism much more quickly and efficiently than by undoing it Dolovis (talk) 02:52, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
- Question 1: Why did you undo an admin doing just that here? You restored an unconstructive edit (WP:Wikihounding) by a WP:SPA sock of a banned editor (Porgers) and became somewhat confrontational about it here. Toddst1 (talk) 03:10, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
- Toddst1 could have left me a note on my talk page to state his concerns, but he instead deleted a message left for me on my talk page without comment or explanation. It is my talk page and I wish to read and, if I wish, retain the messages that are left there. On my talk page such choices are my decision. Dolovis (talk) 03:23, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
- Question 2: Why do you already have the rollbacker userbox on your user page? Toddst1 (talk) 03:15, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
- I did not even realize that I had rollbacker userbox there until you pointed it out. I think that I was trying to add an Autopatrolled rights user box and just made a mistake. I have removed it. Dolovis (talk) 03:29, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
Not done 2 reasons:
- Most importantly,this user's statement at the top of his/her talk page that his/her wikistress is already very high. In such a case it is highly inappropriate to add additional priviliges.
- (and much less significantly) This user's reaction to rollback all being used in the case of a prolific socker - even after it was explained that the action was rolling back all actions of a sock of a banned user. Toddst1 (talk) 14:13, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
(e/c) I was in the process of adding a third reason:
- 3. Dolovis has been repeatedly blocked for sockpuppetry and edit warring. Toddst1 (talk) 14:50, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
- Appeal. As an admin with a COI (see here) Toddst1 should not be the closing admin on this request. Dolovis (talk) 14:48, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
- I don't really know if it's my place to get involved in this discussion (but as a member of the sub community where Dolovis contributes most of his edits I do), but I feel as though Dolovis might not be suited for rollback rights. This user has a history of sock puppetry, constantly engages in unproductive disputes with other users (see WP:HOCKEY for the most frequent of these disputes), and I am not confident this user has the ability to discern between good and bad faith edits, one of the fundamental requirements of the rollback feature. The user is also highly contradictory when conducting edits, which again questions ability to discern between good and bad faith edits. This is certainly is not a personal attack, just a concern about a user that as a vivid history of confrontation, something that really shouldn't go hand-in-hand with the rollback tool. Allotting Dolovis the rollback feature may result in nonconstructive editing. At the same time, this user is certainly a positive member of the community, providing great edits, I just question the maturity level needed to go along with such a tool. The disagreement with the above admin is a prime example of the users confrontational demeanor. – Nurmsook! talk... 15:43, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
Not done per commentary from Nurmsook and original decline. Pedro : Chat 18:24, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
- I don't really know if it's my place to get involved in this discussion (but as a member of the sub community where Dolovis contributes most of his edits I do), but I feel as though Dolovis might not be suited for rollback rights. This user has a history of sock puppetry, constantly engages in unproductive disputes with other users (see WP:HOCKEY for the most frequent of these disputes), and I am not confident this user has the ability to discern between good and bad faith edits, one of the fundamental requirements of the rollback feature. The user is also highly contradictory when conducting edits, which again questions ability to discern between good and bad faith edits. This is certainly is not a personal attack, just a concern about a user that as a vivid history of confrontation, something that really shouldn't go hand-in-hand with the rollback tool. Allotting Dolovis the rollback feature may result in nonconstructive editing. At the same time, this user is certainly a positive member of the community, providing great edits, I just question the maturity level needed to go along with such a tool. The disagreement with the above admin is a prime example of the users confrontational demeanor. – Nurmsook! talk... 15:43, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
- One should investigate the allegations made against another, and not just rely on what is put in front of you. The claim of multiple accounts was demonstrated to be a false positive and the resulting block was reverted with the reviewing admin noting that my account had “a long history of constructive editing an no disruptive behavior”. I also received an apology from the accuser. The so called “edit war” was over 6 months ago, and was invoked upon me after I foolishly performed a double-revert (not 3RR) to protect my good-faith edits. I learn from my mistakes and moved forward. Dolovis (talk) 03:30, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
- I did investiagte, thanks. Indeed the very diff you supply [1] does not appear to me to indicate a false positive at all. "I promise that I will not use another account for editing on Wikipedia" implies that you have used other accounts. Perhaps in a few weeks when your wikistress has dipped and your faith in the community has been restored, but not now. Pedro : Chat 07:18, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
- That was not a confession - it was an assurance. If you read the entire thread (about two pages) then it will put it into context. Dolovis (talk) 12:40, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
- The whole point of the thread was to make sure you admitted you had done it and wouldn't do it again. So yes it is implying you did it. Most people don't for a second believe you didn't. All that happened was you were given a chance to not do it again. -DJSasso (talk) 12:46, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
- I had suspected, but until now it was not confirmed, that the whole point of the process was to extract a confession (reminds me of the Salem witch trials) for something that I was not guilty of. Well, read my thread again. It didn't work. I didn't do it, and I didn't confess, and I had thought your apology was sincere too. Dolovis (talk) 22:52, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
- It was sincere until you went about parading it on your user page showing you clearly had no intention of letting the past go and working together. You are your own worst enemy. Lots of people have tried to work together with you in a friendly atmosphere and all you do is throw things in their face and yell at them. You aren't going to have an easy time of things if you keep spitting in peoples faces when they try to work with you. -DJSasso (talk) 23:14, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
- I had suspected, but until now it was not confirmed, that the whole point of the process was to extract a confession (reminds me of the Salem witch trials) for something that I was not guilty of. Well, read my thread again. It didn't work. I didn't do it, and I didn't confess, and I had thought your apology was sincere too. Dolovis (talk) 22:52, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
- The whole point of the thread was to make sure you admitted you had done it and wouldn't do it again. So yes it is implying you did it. Most people don't for a second believe you didn't. All that happened was you were given a chance to not do it again. -DJSasso (talk) 12:46, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
- That was not a confession - it was an assurance. If you read the entire thread (about two pages) then it will put it into context. Dolovis (talk) 12:40, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
- I did investiagte, thanks. Indeed the very diff you supply [1] does not appear to me to indicate a false positive at all. "I promise that I will not use another account for editing on Wikipedia" implies that you have used other accounts. Perhaps in a few weeks when your wikistress has dipped and your faith in the community has been restored, but not now. Pedro : Chat 07:18, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
- TheTrainEnthusiast · (talk · contribs · deleted · cross-wiki · wikichecker · count · pages created · auto edits· logs · block log · lu · rfar · rfc · rfcu · ssp · spi · search an, ani, cn, an3) (assign permissions)
- I've reverted about one hundred vandal edits, if not more, using Twinkle and popups. I would like rollback so I can revert vandalism faster. TheTrainEnthusiast (talk) 19:30, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
- Chromancer · (talk · contribs · deleted · cross-wiki · wikichecker · count · pages created · auto edits· logs · block log · lu · rfar · rfc · rfcu · ssp · spi · search an, ani, cn, an3) (assign permissions)
- Have used Twinkle for a long while on recent changes patrol, but it tends to be a little slow. I'd like rollback in order to try out Huggle and see if that works a little faster. — Chromancer talk/cont 20:57, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
- P199 · (talk · contribs · deleted · cross-wiki · wikichecker · count · pages created · auto edits· logs · block log · lu · rfar · rfc · rfcu · ssp · spi · search an, ani, cn, an3) (assign permissions)
- I'm a regular/frequent editor, often reverting vandalism and other unconstructive edits. P 1 9 9 • TALK 02:43, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
Done - more rights can be found here if you want them :) Pedro : Chat 07:13, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks for your vote of confidence. But I am focusing my attention more on content. Adminship involves too much politics. But I may consider it... -- P 1 9 9 • TALK 13:49, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
- Inks.LWC · (talk · contribs · deleted · cross-wiki · wikichecker · count · pages created · auto edits· logs · block log · lu · rfar · rfc · rfcu · ssp · spi · search an, ani, cn, an3) (assign permissions)
- I've been a recent changes and new page patroller for a while now, and just started using Twinkle. I'd like to request being added the privilege of rollback as I think it would be helpful to me in undoing vandalism (and it's also required for me to use Huggle, which I have become interested in trying out as well). Inks.LWC (talk) 04:34, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
Done Pedro : Chat 07:10, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
- Qantasplanes · (talk · contribs · deleted · cross-wiki · wikichecker · count · pages created · auto edits· logs · block log · lu · rfar · rfc · rfcu · ssp · spi · search an, ani, cn, an3) (assign permissions)
- I want to revert vandilsm in SpongeBob SquarePants (season 8) a lot of IP Adress users have been adding 'unsourced' episodes. And also on many other articles. I've read all the guidelines. Thanks. Qantasplanes 07:14, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
Not done. You have little to no recent experience fighting real vandalism here on Wikipedia. If you want the rollback tool, show us that you need it! Go to Special:RecentChanges and make 50 or so vandalism reverts, either with the undo function, or the userscript, Twinkle. One you have done that, come back and request the tool again. -FASTILY (TALK) 06:34, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
- HXL49 · (talk · contribs · deleted · cross-wiki · wikichecker · count · pages created · auto edits· logs · block log · lu · rfar · rfc · rfcu · ssp · spi · search an, ani, cn, an3) (assign permissions)
- Easier to use rollback to RV from watchlist or a vandalising user's contributions. If you ask why rollback was revoked in December 2010, it is because I was editing past my optimum sleeping hours (01:30 UTC−5), and at that time, I am grumpier. Slakr, the revoking administrator, stated in the user rights log "feel free to restore whenever". See this comment on his talk. I vow never to intentionally use rollback on established users, not even on my talk. —HXL's Roundtable and Record 13:07, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
- Slakr notified. Let's wait for a comment from him first. -FASTILY (TALK) 06:33, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
- GaneshBhakt · (talk · contribs · deleted · cross-wiki · wikichecker · count · pages created · auto edits· logs · block log · lu · rfar · rfc · rfcu · ssp · spi · search an, ani, cn, an3) (assign permissions)
- Would like this permission so that I could fight vandalism quicker. I used Twinkle sometime ago, but found it very slow. GaneshBhakt (talk) 14:40, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
- A520 · (talk · contribs · deleted · cross-wiki · wikichecker · count · pages created · auto edits· logs · block log · lu · rfar · rfc · rfcu · ssp · spi · search an, ani, cn, an3) (assign permissions)
- I have made a lot of vandalism reverts (344,most of them were vandalism reverts) and therefore I request rollback privileges to help me revert vandalism.Also,I need the rollback right to use igloo.
A520 | Talk me away!/sign it! 19:34, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
Done -- DQ (t) (e) 22:26, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
- Soxrock24 · (talk · contribs · deleted · cross-wiki · wikichecker · count · pages created · auto edits· logs · block log · lu · rfar · rfc · rfcu · ssp · spi · search an, ani, cn, an3) (assign permissions)
- I am already a reviewer, and gained experience fighting vandalism for a month. Since reviewing has been removed, I want to continue fighting vandalism by being a rollbacker. SOXROX (talk) 00:41, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
Not done. You have little to no recent experience fighting real vandalism here on Wikipedia. If you want the rollback tool, show us that you need it! Go to Special:RecentChanges and make 50 or so vandalism reverts, either with the undo function, or the userscript, Twinkle. One you have done that, come back and request the tool again. -FASTILY (TALK) 06:31, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
You didn't see all the review reverts I made from April to May? SOXROX (talk) 09:44, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
- SilentBobxy2 · (talk · contribs · deleted · cross-wiki · wikichecker · count · pages created · auto edits· logs · block log · lu · rfar · rfc · rfcu · ssp · spi · search an, ani, cn, an3) (assign permissions)
- Protecting the Wiki from the scum of the Wiki-Universe. Seriously I handled reverts for vandal IP users back during the trial. I understand all to well the rules of uses for the rollback, undo and revert tools. Silent Bob (talk) 09:25, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
- (Non-administrator comment) I haven't seen any reverting or warnings issued in the past year or so, also your edit summary usage is relatively low and you seem to be using Twinkle to tag articles with issues en masse, while that's not a problem article issue tagging constitutes a majority of your edits, have you tried to fix those issues for yourself as it's not really achieving much if they're low-traffic articles and given the size of the backlogs. I also notice you've welcomed a large amount of users too (which accounts for over half your total edits), almost all of them being IPs, though I'm guilty of having done (past tense) both those things so I've been there myself. What advice I can give (from my own personal experience) is that you should monitor Special:RecentChanges, revert vandalism and warn the respective users, that's the best and only way to gain experience in this field. —James (Talk • Contribs) • 9:13pm • 11:13, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
- Reply You asked allot of things and I'll try to answer them all. First, I have worked primarily from the recent changes pages... part in new article creations and other times in recent changes made by IPs. When I first started out on Wikipedia it was with the kindness campaign so I spent a large time then either inviting IPs to become registered users or welcoming new users. I moved into article review with focus on obvious adverts to propose for deletion... after that I became a reviewer and put my time into reverts for recent changes made by IPs in that trail program if you may remember. Most of my undos or reverts experience came from then... yet I also later moved to recent changes for new articles and made tags for them concerning if them applied to policy or not. I decided to join the Editorial Team and rank existing articles, but I moved a little into creation of articles and improvement of existing articles... Plus, I also got a little exp. in the Afd discussions... and plan to get more. If you are wondering if I can tag pages without using Twinkle then I say yes I can... I had to prove so before I became a reviewer, but I just find the tools much more quicker to get the job done. Oh, I know how to use the summary box its just that unless I know it might be an edit some would question most times I don't get off into much dialog... After all I named my account Silent Bob for a reason... Silent Bob (talk) 12:13, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
- (Non-administrator comment) I haven't seen any reverting or warnings issued in the past year or so, also your edit summary usage is relatively low and you seem to be using Twinkle to tag articles with issues en masse, while that's not a problem article issue tagging constitutes a majority of your edits, have you tried to fix those issues for yourself as it's not really achieving much if they're low-traffic articles and given the size of the backlogs. I also notice you've welcomed a large amount of users too (which accounts for over half your total edits), almost all of them being IPs, though I'm guilty of having done (past tense) both those things so I've been there myself. What advice I can give (from my own personal experience) is that you should monitor Special:RecentChanges, revert vandalism and warn the respective users, that's the best and only way to gain experience in this field. —James (Talk • Contribs) • 9:13pm • 11:13, 3 June 2011 (UTC)