Talk:Shafi'i

translations

seems to me that the translations of "ahl al hadith" and "ahl ar ra'i" could be improved. Possibly "family/followers of the oratory" and "family/followers of [personal] opinion" respectively? the translation of "ahl al hadith" as "traditionalists par excellence" seems especially...generous. But I am still a student of the language and I welcome any correction. --Arabicstudent2 (talk) 16:22, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

In more than a few instances in the Arabic Language, as in English, a word will convey one meaning in one context, and another in a different context. In this particular case, the difference in context is between the general linguistic meaning a word and its technical meaning. The word hadith means, literally, speech, and as terminology, hadith as used in this article, it refers to a recorded statement of Muhammad. As for the word ahl, one meaning is 'family' or 'people', however, it can also mean 'a person capable or worthy of something'. The reason Ahle Hadith is sometimes translated as 'traditionalist' is based upon the translation of a hadith, in the technical sense, as a 'tradition', therefore, a person specializing in hadith becomes a 'tradtionalist'. Supertouch (talk) 00:36, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

ayin

Oy! Is there some reason people took out the ˤayns in Šāfiˤī and replaced them with glottal stops (alifs)? Seems silly to have it spelled wrong, especially when the ˤayns are so readily available. em zilch 22:34, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Acute Misuse

Anyhow the accent cute is misused as an apostrophe: Shafi`i should be Shafi'i. Terrible, just annoying. For more information, have a look here: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/ucs/quotes.html 89.247.111.108 (talk) 13:17, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Shafi'i school

Hi there

Regarding this paragraph:

The Shāfi‘ī school is considered one of the more conservative of the four schools of Islamic jurisprudence, but there are many adherents of the Shāfi‘ī tradition who maintain liberal views in practicing their religion.

It is not quite true, Shafites are not one of the more conservatives of the four schools of Islam. Indeed they are the most liberal ones.

This is a almost entirely subjective arguement. On what basis do we determine how conservative or liberal a mathhad is? Perhaps in regards to individual issues of jurisprudence this can be determined but not as a generalization. Supertouch (talk) 11:50, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Lead

The lead of this article should be expanded so those interested in just quickly learning about the most basic information don't have to read through the whole article. Just summarise the main article into two or three paragraphs. see WP:LEAD. Merbabu 12:53, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Doubtful propaganda might need to be removed

The paragraphs implying that the other schools somehow also believe that Shafi`i is the best madhhab sound a bit too propaganda-ish. It might be a good idea for a muslim with more knowledge of these things to review those statements. -- 18:06, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

For Non-Muslims

The history and philosophy of the Shafi'i Madhab is very interesting and important but this article seems to be very short of practical examples. As a non-muslim myself I would be interested to read about the practical day to day difference between the Shafi'i Madhab and any of the other 3 Sunni Madhab. For instance a friend of mine told me that there are different rules of prayer to be observed for each Madhab? If this is true I think this is the sort of information that would be good in this article. Ryan Albrey (talk) 03:11, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Map blocks text

Is it possible to format the map so that it doesn't out any of the article? David Cheater (talk) 18:25, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Two lists of Names?

It hardly seems necessary to have both lists of notable Shafi'is. I propose deleting the first list entirely, making sure all of the names in it are present in the second. My reasoning is that the organization of the first list is superior to that of the second - as many scholars excelled in more than one disciple their name would then appear on the list more than once.Supertouch (talk) 23:42, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Here is the former first list:

Among the giants of Islam who adopted this school are:-

Imams of Aqidah:

• Abu Al-Hasan Ash'ari

Imams of Hadith:

• Imam Muhammad al-Bukhari
• Imam Muslim ibn al-Hajjaj
• Imam Nasa'i
• Imam Bayhaqi
• Imam Tirmidhi
• Imam Ibn Majah
• Imam Ibn Hibban
• Imam Daraqutni
• Imam Tabari (who later became independent Mujtahid)
• Al-Hafiz Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani
• Imam Abu Dawud
• Imam Nawawi
• Imam As-Suyuti
• Imam Ibn Kathir
• Imam Dhahabi
• Imam Al-Hakim

Imams of Fiqh:

• Sheikh Khatib Shirbini
• Ibn Hajar Haytami
• Imam Al-Rafi'ie
• Imam an-Nawawi
• Al-Hafiz Izzuddin Abdus-Salam
• Imam Daqiequl-Eid

Imams of Tafser and Seerah:

• Imam Mawardi
• Imam Al-Baghawi
• Imam Fakhruddin ar-Razi
• Al-Hafiz Ibn Kathir
• Shaykh Khatib al-Baghdadi
• Imam al-Baydhawi

Other Leading Scholars and Religious Experts:

• Imam Jalaluddin al-Mahally
• Imam Taqiyuddin as-Subki
• Imam Tajuddin as-Subki
• Sheikhu l-Islam Zakariyya al-Ansari
• Imam Ramli
• Imam al-Ghazzali —Preceding unsigned comment added by Supertouch (talk • contribs) 12:55, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Regional spread info is inconsistent with the Hanafi article

Hanafi article says:

Today, the Hanafi school is predominant among the Sunnis of Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, Central Asia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh, India, China as well as in Iraq, Mauritius, Turkey, Albania, Bosnia, Kosovo, Macedonia in the Balkans and the Caucasus.

and the map in Hanafi article indicates similar info. Now, this Shafi'i article says:

It is the dominant madhab of Syria, Palestinian Territories, Lebanon, United Arab Emirates, Chechnya, Kurdistan, Egypt, Djibouti, Eritrea, Somalia, Yemen, Sudan, Maldives, Singapore, Malaysia, Brunei Darussalam and Indonesia.

So both articles make claims about being dominant in Egypt and the Levant areas. From cursory google search I get the impression that the Hanafi claims for dominance in these places are valid for the modern times and the Shafi'i ones refer to some past era and are no longer relevant. 76.24.104.52 (talk) 04:12, 18 July 2010 (UTC)