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The term "Anti-suffragism" returns only 1 370 results in Google. Is this a real word? --MZMcBride 03:05, 17 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes; you can see the newspaper clippings for uses of it. Remember, this is 100-year-old news, and for the most part it's not that interesting in scholarly terms. Ashibaka tock 12:26, 17 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Opposition to women's suffrage[edit]

Only 160 opponents, and only conservative MPs? That's complete and utter rubbish- a number of prominent Liberals opposed women's suffrage, such as Asquith; in other areas, he was a progressive MP. Or take this quote from Spartacus, for instance:

"In October, 1912, George Lansbury decided to draw attention to the plight of WSPU prisoners by resigning his seat in the House of Commons and fighting a by-election in favour of votes for women. Lansbury discovered that a large number of males were still opposed to equal rights for women and he was defeated by 731 votes." And I am certain that there were more than 102 people in Britain in anti-suffrage organisations in 1902. The source doesn't appear to make that claim at all. Instead, it states that there were 160 signatures on a single petition. If I launch a petition tomorrow, how will I be able to get the views of even everyone in my town, let alone in the whole of Britain?

Additionally, in Britain these groups are generally described simply as the "Antis". -- Dandelions 21:55, 11 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Also, "not only conservative elements"... Hardly accurate, either. Misleading and had nothing to do with the section since it had not been mentioned previously. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.106.149.50 (talk) 20:06, 30 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Position of Roman Catholic Church?[edit]

The article mentions the Catholic Encyclopedia, which was a private publication ostensibly aimed at catholic readers. However this is example is a bit confusing as to whether this was the actual early-20th-century position of the Catholic church in the U.S. or not. Certainly, the position of the church as a whole is more significant to the article than a single example of a publication. Could another editor help track down sources to answer whether the Catholic church was a significant member of anti-suffragism at the time?

I found this [1] article that relates to Nebraska:

The Roman Catholic Church was the religious group that most consistently opposed women's suffrage. In 1906 more than 29 percent of all Nebraskans claimed affiliation with the Catholic Church, by far the largest single denomination in the state. German Catholics were the most conservative and opposed most of the progressive era reforms; especially any attempts to provide women access to the ballot box or prohibit the sale of alcoholic beverages.

There may be multiple sources but it is a bit unclear. The primary source given is this [2] pamphlet, which appears to be related to debate amongst women in the Catholic church as the church itself had not taken a position on the issue at that time. From the original pamphlet:

"Because the Catholic church has not declared herself on this point, politics being outside of her sphere..."

so if that source is to be taken as fact, the Catholic church had no position and the example of The Catholic Encyclopedia may require further clarification. If anyone could provide further citations on this issue they would be most welcome. 96.252.169.163 (talk) 06:03, 19 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Here's a good source: How the Vote Was Won: Woman Suffrage in the Western United States, 1868-1914, by Rebecca Mead. The link gives 12 instances of the word Catholic in the book. One of the lessons learned by suffrage activists such as Lucy Stone and Rachel Foster Avery in Colorado in 1877 was that the Catholic church was going to hinder as much as possible any reformation of men's and women's social roles, including the right to vote. Colorado was populated by a large number of Catholic residents including many Latinos, and the bishop was vehemently against women's suffrage. Binksternet (talk) 07:03, 19 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! I think the article should be edited to include this; if anything, the position of the church as a whole is far more notable than The Catholic Encyclopedia but that could be included as supporting info. Consensus? 96.252.169.163 (talk) 07:22, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that we should be adding in the role of the Catholic Church of course, but how about other religious institutions? I have been examining anti-suffragism and anti-feminism and have noticed how religion played a role in those arguments at that time. Of course, it is important to note that not all Christians necessarily felt the same way.U21980 (talk) 00:59, 27 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

ARTICLE SHOULD BE EXPANDED[edit]

This article should definitely include the National Association Opposed to Woman Suffrage; its first president, Mrs. Arthur M. Dodge; and their newsletter, the Woman's Protest Against Woman Suffrage. Most people, even some historians, don't realize how fiercely many women opposed the idea of woman suffrage, and organized to prevent it.

Susan B. Anthony and the other leading Suffragists believed that Equal Suffrage should be adopted as a matter of justice, even though the majority of women were actually NOT in favor of it. Most history books and encyclopedias miss this point.

There are four detailed scholarly books about the Antis in the United States, only two of which are currently listed in the Sources. The Home, Heaven and Mother Party by Jablonsky is an excellent book.

As for the Catholic Church, most of the leading Antis were Protestants, and the church was not as greatly involved in the political struggle as people usually assume.

The caption of the photo of Anti-Suffragist headquarters also needs to be corrected. Most anti-Suffragists were women, but the caption implies that the men in the photo were Anti-Suffragists. Probably the caption should read "Curious bystanders at the Anti-Suffragists' headquarters in New York."

Another minor point is that the term "Suffragette" referred to the movement in England; in the United States, the term was usually Suffragist.

I will be doing some editing over the next few months to expand and improve the article. I welcome comments at any time. 

     Libraryreference (talk) 06:08, 16 February 2011 (UTC)  Feb. 15, 2011[reply]

US POV only[edit]

Despite a reference to the US this article has an enirely US POV. Nothing about Mrs Humphrey Ward — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.159.59.164 (talk) 04:57, 17 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps it's worth separating anti-suffragism in the US into its own article? --ScoutHarris (talk) 18:02, 27 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Link to suffrage?[edit]

Hi, IMO a link to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffrage would be useful. T 2A02:FE1:E16B:CC00:4C74:8713:3E58:5D42 (talk) 15:28, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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