Talk:Artist-run initiative

Proposed merger with Artist-run space, 2007[edit]

Support. There is certainly no need for both articles; which is merged with which I leave to others, though. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 20:50, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Artist-run spaces and artist-run initiatives are essentially the same type of organisations although it is up to the individual group to decide which label to use. In Australia, artist-run initiative has become the norm under government funding language to include organisations that may not be based in a physical space (e.g. cyber/temporal/project-based). din 21:55, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The additional information about specific Australian usage of this term is interesting and should be reflected in any resolved naming. AllyD 11:35, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

See also the Artist collective article and the associated category. There is a lot of overlap across all these. AllyD 11:35, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Plus ‎Not-for-profit arts organization which covers the same ideas. Which term would be the main term that the others redirect too? In Canada it's usually "artist-run centre" (old term "parallel gallery") and the decidedly more pompous "artist-run culture." Freshacconci 22:02, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Support otherwise. Freshacconci 22:03, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As long as the variant terms (including: ‘artist-run space’, ‘artist-run initiative’, ‘artist-run centre’) are noted within a merged article, I do not see any problem. In a book I am working on about Victorian artist-run spaces, there are a number of contributors who raise this very issue of classification. Many a heated argument has ensued. After six months of debate, I'm sorry to say there is no single answer. So (mostly to escape injury) we have applied all of the above variations in their original context, including terms used in commentaries from Canadian and German artist-run projects connected to groups here in Australia. There are political and ideological implications in this debate and what seems superficial is in fact a minefield of opinion. While this comment may be simply continuing the confusion, it also demonstrates the way artists work with the assumption that everything is in a state of flux, including our naming of things. (Din Heagney 14:36, 23 February 2007 (UTC))[reply]

Disagree. I don't know much about encyclopedia organization but having distinct pages for all these terms seems useful to me, if only so each term is equally searchable, but also because each term might mean something slightly different and having someone most familiar with that particular variation write the definition for it would be good.

There is a structure emerging here:

‎Not-for-profit arts organization - should cover the legal definition, governance, mission, etc.

Artist-run space - refers primarily to these type of organizations in the US

Artist-run centre - refers primarily to Canada

Artist-run initiative - primarily Australia and New Zealand, possibly the UK also

Then there could also be 'country' pages:

Canadian artist-run centres

US artist-run spaces

Australian artist-run initiatives

etc.

The pages on Museums, types of museums, etc. should also be modified to include reference to these pages.

Howboy 18:53, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I wonder what the author used for criteria- for important artist initiatives? This door project seems to me, like it was not very important. There were many important artist initiatives in New York that very important historically and aesthetically (some of which I was a member or organizer) Some have been chronicled and written about - others not Why is the Times Square Show not mentioned? The Monumental Shows and other artist-organized exhibitions and spaces of the 1980's or many of the Williamburgh groups of the 1980's and 1990's There is a long and rich history of this work and the article seems narrow and not serving an important topic I am doing my dissertation in this field Alan Moore wrote an important dissertation Moore, A. (2000) Collectivities: Protest, Counter-Culture and Political Postmodernism in New York City Artists Organizations 1969-1985 City University of New York (dissertation) and there are other references that the author did not use Frank Shifreen New York67.100.49.253 (talk) 19:15, 16 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed merger with Artist-run space, 2020[edit]

Confused how this was concluded. Would like to raise again. Please note this is not to conflate all not for profits, rather artist-run and artist-led which are the same only with local variations in the name. As is the information is fragmented and incomplete. Hesperian Nguyen (talk) 13:08, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Will add that I support, in a basic sense, using Artist-run Initiatives but moving the content of Artist-run Spaces here. Hesperian Nguyen (talk) 14:43, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'd Support a merger or redirect. "Artist-run initiative" seems to be a neologism for any project or collaboration by artists. I don't see any evidence in the article that "artist-run initiative" is a commonly used term for such projects. Sionk (talk) 18:46, 24 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I see your point, however it varies widely as to what the project self identify as. The commonality is simply "artist-run" or "artist-led", followed by space, gallery, project, etc. Describing in some way where or how the project operates. So artist-run initiative covers all types of projects run by artists. I'm not set on that, and am to suggestions. Perhaps simply 'artist-run'? Hesperian Nguyen (talk) 00:53, 25 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

See also the parallel discussion at Talk:Artist-run space#Proposed merger with Artist-run initiatives. Verbcatcher (talk) 00:26, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Noting that 2021 discussion has indeed moved to Talk:Artist-run space#Proposed merger with Artist-run initiatives, 2020. Klbrain (talk) 10:10, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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