Talk:Battle of Smolensk (1941)

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[edit] soviet POV

This article seems to draw conclusions about the battle that follow the line of Soviet propaganda. The claim that the Soviet attacks, particularily the Yelnya offensive, had a significant material impact on the German offensive, as opposed to purely a moral boost to the Soviet side, is debatable. A good case can be made that the Soviet losses due to the unrelenting attacks made subsequent German offensives, i.e. operation Typhoon, easier than would have been the case if the Soviets had conserved their forces and built stronger defensive positions. Madmax

It seems pretty clear that the stub describes the Smolensk offensive almost exclusively in Soviet terms. The most glaring example being the description of the battle as a part of the "Great Patriotic War". While that topic surely deserves an article, and perhaps even a reference in this one, it should not be presented, as it is, as historical fact. Great Patriotic War should clearly be changed to World War II and more information on the German end of things should be included.

[edit] Comment

I wrote the original remark above and note that the article has been significantly rewritten since then and I for one no longer concider it to have a slanted POV. I would therefor request the "Neutrality Disputed" box be removed. MadMax 3/30/09 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.172.179.222 (talk) 03:52, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Final paragraph

This could be clarified, the second part here also contradicts the lead. "The failure....made Hitler give up on the concept of encirclement operations.....This meant a speedy encirclement of Leningrad in the north" . Sceptic1954 (talk) 14:40, 18 April 2011 (UTC)sceptic1954

[edit] Panzer Armies

Referring to other sources such as Heinz Guderian, 'Panzer Leader' among others, there were not any Panzer Armies at the time. Panzer Group 2 Was not renamed until October 5. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Werhner (talk • contribs) 00:18, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] Casualties

Glantz made a mistake in the tables of his 1995 book for thre Soviet casualties, so i inserted the number directly from Krivosheev. StoneProphet (talk) 19:50, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Battle of Smolensk (1941)

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[edit] soviet POV

[edit] Comment

[edit] Final paragraph

[edit] Panzer Armies

[edit] Casualties

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