Talk:Changkya Khutukhtu

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Mongolian title[edit]

The article gives Changkya's title in Mongolia as "Mongolian: Зангиа Хутагт, Jangia Hutagt". That looks funny to me, and searching on the web makes it seem like it's probably wrong. I think the correct Mongolian is Жанжаа хутагт, Janjaa Hutagt" (which is a name that appears in another article on Wikipedia), but I'm not adding that to the article yet because I'm not sure. I removed Jangia.—Greg Pandatshang (talk) 18:28, 19 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

What you deleted appears to be much more likely. Two Khalkha (Cyrillic) versions are possible, by the way, but there should be one Mongolian script version only, probably Janggiy-a. But I don't have any fitting dictionary ready. So I wrote an email to somebody more knowledgeable on such matters. Now I just sit and wait whether he answers. G Purevdorj (talk) 20:33, 19 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Wouldn't it be Зангия in that case?—Greg Pandatshang (talk) 20:40, 19 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
No, the predicted form would indeed be Зангиа, cf. "наргиа". To use я, you need ъ or ь, but you can only use these after the end of a syllable, which is not the case here. (This still does not settle the question whether Жанжаа or Зангиа or both, though.) G Purevdorj (talk) 22:58, 19 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Confirmed that Janggiy-a and thus Зангиа are correct. Did not investigate Жанжаа yet, which might be an alternative writing - or not. G Purevdorj (talk) 09:59, 21 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Does "Janggiy-a" mean the Mongolian script letters j-a-ng-g-i-y-a, using the transliteration at Mongolian script? "Jangia" still looks like an error, since Зангиа would be Zangia or Dzangia.—Greg Pandatshang (talk) 03:10, 22 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
j-a-ng-g-i-y-a? Yes. "j" before "a" becomes "z", that is a regular sound change within Mongolian. Trust me, Зангиа is regular. Whether there is some irregular change to Жанжаа as well can be checked, but Зангиа is definitely sound. G Purevdorj (talk) 10:12, 22 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I changed Jangia to Zangia. Perhaps Janjaa reflects some sort of Chahar vs. Khalkh dialectical difference? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greg Pandatshang (talk • contribs) 13:03, 22 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Well, aforementioned sound change did not take place in Chakhar. But I am not spontaneously aware of a sound change from ...gia to ...jaa - though phonetically, it is quite likely. G Purevdorj (talk) 15:02, 22 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Since the Changkyas were traditionally southern Mongols, perhaps Chakhar, it would make sense that there would be a Chakhar variant of the name, which might have then been borrowed back into standard Khalkh as inter-dialect loanword. That could explain why there are two variants of the Mongol name.—Greg Pandatshang (talk) 07:10, 27 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

List of claimed incarnations[edit]

Please add transcriptions of these names. A list only in Han characters makes little sense in English Wikipedia. Also this section needs references. Chris Fynn (talk) 07:00, 17 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This might also prove to be a helpful reference: https://www.academia.edu/4767912/Searchable_list_of_Mongolian_versions_of_Tibetan_names – Greg Pandatshang (talk) 04:26, 5 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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