Talk:Corsairs of Algiers

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What is this?[edit]

@R Prazeres and M.Bitton: Any opinion on this page? Srnec (talk) 16:05, 4 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Srnec: unless I'm mistaken, I think it was created to reduce the size of the Regency of Algiers article (which was getting too big). Is there a particular issue with it that you want us to look into? M.Bitton (talk) 19:09, 4 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I almost replied at the exact same minute! I was about to say the same. Indeed, it should be essentially a subtopic of Regency of Algiers and of Barbary pirates. Not my specific field of interest, but it looks reasonably sourced at first glance. R Prazeres (talk) 19:12, 4 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

My issue, I guess, is that the lead does not define well what the page is about. An ethnically mixed group of seafarers describes the crew of the Queen Mary 2. Srnec (talk) 21:36, 4 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I imagine the solution there is to just improve the article for clarity and style. E.g.: it would be more important for the opening line to establish the political/institutional setting of the corsairs rather than a general point on ethnic composition, and some of the information presented as lists below should probably be presented as regular prose. R Prazeres (talk) 06:53, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@R Prazeres, your modifications would be much appreciated Nourerrahmane (talk) 08:28, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've had a go at revising the opening line ([1]). Feel free to revise further. R Prazeres (talk) 08:50, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Nourerrahmane: there is a difference between the "ta'ifa of reïs" (community of corsair captains) and the corsairs. This needs to be made clear as well as the fact that the corsairs were not really pirates. Corsairing (also known as the Corso) has a specific meaning that unfortunately was distorted to vilify the Muslim corsairs, while their Christian equivalent were called "knights", such as the knights of Malta (see Maltese Corso for more info). M.Bitton (talk) 12:58, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely, and you know @M.Bitton, I was very hesitant regarding making a difference between Corsairs and pirates, despite the available reliable sources like (Daniel Panzac), since it was generally accepted in the west that Barbary corsairs were in fact "Pirates", then i had to use the terms "Corsairs" and "Pirates" interchangeably, but by emphesising that the Barbary pirates were in fact a military faction sponsored by a government of a sovereign state known as the regency of Algiers much like Gorcius said. This military faction was behind a good portion of the military supremacy, economic prosperity, political developpements, international relations between muslim south and christian north, social stability and religious prestige of the Regency. the Corsairs literally characterised the state of Algiers, so this was a way for me to help the reader reach the conclusion you said, and sure i Had to mention the Knights of Rhodes and Malta since the Regency was its islamic reflection and this was demonstrated through the Ta'ifa. More content will be added though. Nourerrahmane (talk) 13:19, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I did a fast edit as I was reading and got a lot of low-hanging fruit. Needs more.Elinruby (talk) 08:07, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'll get back to this article very soon Nourerrahmane (talk) 12:16, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In case of interest Not currently mentioned at Regency of Algiers[edit]

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Privateers

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Needs to be in a Propaganda section

Ali Khoja, ruler of Algiers 1817-1818, resplendent in a green turban and wearing a fine sword, is surrounded by the severed heads of vanquished enemies after the bombardment of 1816 (C19).jpg| caption1 = Ali Khoja, ruler of Algiers 1817-1818, resplendent in a green turban and wearing a fine sword, is surrounded by the severed heads of vanquished enemies after the bombardment of 1816 (C19)