Talk:Crazy (Willie Nelson song)/GA1

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Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 08:04, 8 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]


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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV ()
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Yet another review for you; sending the best of my wishes! --K. Peake 08:04, 8 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nice to be working on our next collaboration, and as usual, thanks for taking over the responsibility! Now, let's get the ball rolling--GDuwenHoller! 21:14, 8 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I am very glad to hear your positive response and as always, it is a pleasure working together! --K. Peake 21:42, 8 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox and lead[edit]

  • Why is the release date listed as October 16, 1961, when the body only says the month?
  • Quonset Hut Studio → Quonset Hut, as you are not supposed to have the term "studio" in that parameter
  • Add after the popularized part "for her second studio album, Showcase (1961)."
  • The second sentence is retrospective material and belongs after the info about Cline's decision to record this; move it to the start of the first para instead
  • Merge the second para with the first per size, also this ties in with Nelson writing the song and why Cline recorded a version
  • Pipe Houston, Texas to Houston
  • ""Crazy" reached Patsy Cline." → "the song reached Patsy Cline."
  • Pipe Hot Country Singles to Hot Country Songs
  • "as a top ten single." → "as a top 10 single." per MOS:NUM
  • "in films; many publications listed it among the all-time best country songs." → "in TV programmes, while many publications listed it to best songs lists."
    • The release date was already there when I started the article. An edition of Billboard of that particular day says that it was already getting spins in some cities, which I assume it means it was already released. Let's leave it at October 1961.
    • As in Quonset Hut Studio, I would say "Studio" is capitalized because it is the name of the building itself. Pretty much like Sun Studio. Since we are refering to the building itself, I think it's in order.
    • I wouldn't consider mentioning the album in this particular case. Singles were more important than albums at the time "Crazy" was released. So you could say that the album was more of a consequence of the success of "Crazy" or "I Fall to Pieces" than anything. Record companies would put a single or two by the artist, and if they picked up steam, they would usually put together the rest of the songs quite quickly in follow-up recording sessions to get enough material to release an album. That strategy changed to what we have today by the late 60s, as at that time they were still figuring out the whole album promotion thing.--GDuwenHoller! 21:14, 8 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Background and writing[edit]

  • Wikilink Houston as itself instead
  • "plus a job as a writer" → "as well as a job as a writer"
  • "moved to Houston where" → "moved to Houston, where"
  • Pipe Esquire Ballroom to Neon Boots Dancehall & Saloon
  • Pipe reel-to-reel tape recorder to Reel-to-reel audio tape recording
  • "Later he also" → "Later, he also"
  • Wikilink Pasadena, Texas on the img text
  • Shouldn't the title be written as "Night Life" instead?
  • "At the time Nelson's" → "At the time, Nelson's"
  • "his of lack stable employment" → "his lack of stable employment"
  • "he compared his lot with those of" → "he compared his money with that of" or something similar since "lot" is not appropriate
  • "world was asleep."" → "world was asleep"." per MOS:QUOTE
  • The speech marks should not be inside the title "Family Bible" on any occasions
  • "he was arrested" → "Nelson was arrested"
  • "He then decided to" → "Nelson then decided to"
  • Wikilink Nashville, Tennessee
  • Italicise Grand Ole Opry
Yea, there was a little bit of copyedit work that included some of those unusual sentences. All fixed now.--GDuwenHoller! 21:31, 8 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Pasty Cline's recording[edit]

  • Wikilink Pasty Cline and Decca Records on the img text
  • Wikilink country music
  • Merge the first and second paras per short sizes
  • Remove comma before Owen Bradley
  • Remove commas around Charlie Dick
  • Remove full-stop inside the title "Night Life"
  • Remove full-stop inside the title "Crazy"
  • Remove duplicate usage of alternative
  • Why is there a colon after the book title?
  • Add info to the audio sample text about what parts of the song it demonstrates
  • "Cline's producer, Owen Bradley, planned to" → "Bradley planned to"
  • Wikilink jazz
  • Lowercase the Jordanaires per MOS:THEMUSIC
  • "pianist Floyd Cramer and" → "pianist Floyd Cramer, and"
  • "and Bradley had" → "and Owen Bradley had" since the last Bradley mentioned was a different one; only keep as current if this is actually Harold Bradley again
  • "asked Cline use her" → "asked Cline to use her"
  • "During that September 15 session," → "During the session on September 15, 1961," to be specific
  • "behind the beat , but" → "behind the beat, but"
 Done--GDuwenHoller! 21:18, 9 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Release and reception[edit]

  • Img looks good!
  • "Hot Country Singles[31] and it crossed over to the pop charts where it reached" → "Hot Country Singles,[31] and crossed over to the pop charts, reaching" with the pipe
  • Stylize as Billboard Hot 100 instead, piping to Billboard Hot 100
  • Remove comma before "I Fall to Pieces", also the comma afterwards should not be inside the title
  • "and perfect diction."" → "and perfect diction"." per MOS:QUOTE
  • "National Public Radio , New Musical Express and" → "National Public Radio, New Musical Express, and" with the pipes
  • "in the United States list. " → "on the United States list."
  • Pipe The 500 Greatest Songs of All Time to Rolling Stone's 500 Greatest Songs of All Time
  • I don't think the 2021 ranking is notable, as it is the same publication giving the list and also a lower position
  • "In 2018 it was included" → "In 2018, the song was included"
  • Remove wikilink on New Musical Express
  • "list,[37] in 2019," → "list;[37] in 2019," plus the latter list is missing the closing speech mark
All done, except that I disagree with removing the 2021 ranking. I think it is relevant to keep a progression of how the song moves throughout the list (it may even disappear at some point). You may attribute it to the passing of the years, you may attribute it to the the attempts of Rolling Stone to modify the list according to their current ideas, whatever. It may be the fabric for discussion in ten or twenty years from now. It would be not neutral nor encyclopaedical to add any commentary for the time being on this, but we could present the reader with the information for them to draw their own conclusions.--GDuwenHoller! 21:32, 9 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Personnel[edit]

  • Good

Other versions[edit]

  • "was released in 2003's" → "was released on 2003's"
  • Italicise Hasten Down the Wind and add the release year in brackets
  • "In 1993 Canadian country music singer" → "In 1993, Canadian country music singer" and mention he charted with a cover of the song
  • Introduce LeAnn Rimes as an American singer
  • "In the United Kingdom, it reached number 36 on the Singles chart." → "It reached number 36 on the UK Singles Chart."
  • The title "Can't Let Go" should not have a full-stop inside
  • Italicise The Masked Singer
 Done--GDuwenHoller! 21:36, 9 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Chart performance[edit]

  • Retitle to Charts and certifications
 Done--GDuwenHoller! 21:41, 9 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Patsy Cline[edit]

  • Add a caption to the certifications table and make it a sub-section of this sub
Caption added. Do we need a another subsection for the subsection of a subsection? Kind of got dizzy there haha, but does the caption not suffice?--GDuwenHoller! 21:41, 9 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Other artists[edit]

  • Diverse artists → Various artists, for more appropriate caption language
 Done--GDuwenHoller! 21:41, 9 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References[edit]

 Done--GDuwenHoller! 22:05, 9 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

External links[edit]

  • Good

Final comments and verdict[edit]

  •  On hold until all of the issues are fixed; went through that large article quickly! --K. Peake 21:42, 8 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Kyle Peake: It was indeed quick one more time! My first run through the article is done. I left a few comments above. Outside of that, I failed to spot the inconsistent formatting with the dates on the sources.--GDuwenHoller! 22:07, 9 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
GDuwen It is fine about the lead, 2021 ranking and certifications, though the inconsistent date formatting is when you are using ones like 2022-02-05. --K. Peake 08:13, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I see what you mean. I think one of those wikibots just linked the archival versions of each of the cited websites and set that format per default. I'll see if I get to change it manually.--GDuwenHoller! 19:23, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Kyle Peake: I did manage to change them!--GDuwenHoller! 19:28, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
GDuwen ✓ Pass now, very good on resolving that last problem! --K. Peake 07:21, 11 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Kyle Peake: Great working with you one more time, thanks for taking the time to review.--GDuwenHoller! 19:07, 11 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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