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Major cleanup[edit]

Danes are citizens of Denmark and some voluntary possibility of "being Danish" without being a citizen, article was adjusted for this.--Johanneswilm (talk) 07:24, 14 February 2011 (UTC) The categories used for the statistics cited for Denmark are explained [here]. "Immigrant Ancestry" according to this are those born in another country. "Descendants" are those born to two foreign citizens within Denmark. According to this, a person has Danish ancestry, if at least one parent is a Danish citizen and is born in Denmark. These figures are completely incompatible to those given by the US, Canadian, Australian and Norwegian census, see explanation given at Talk:Norwegians, Talk:Germans and Talk:Austrians. The links to statistics from New Zealand and Germany are dead, the link to Argentinia has no figures, the figures from UK, Ireland and Iceland refer to people born in Denmark and therefore also incomparable, the figure for Greenland seems to be a rough estimate by the Wikipedia user writing this article, the French figure comes from someones private webblog without authoritative reference, the Swiss number comes from a secondary source and lists Danish citizens, the Dubai/Emirates doesn't contain any concrete figure, the Chinese figure seems to be someone's personal estimate, the figures from Luxembourg, Faeroeye Islands, Greece and Portugal are user submitted numbers on a website that claims not to be sure of the data's validity, the Mexico figure is unreferenced, the interview with the Danish ambassador in Lebanon indicates that they only have partial overview of Danes living in Lebanon, the same is true for the Chilean figure which is presented on a webforum for children.--Johanneswilm (talk) 07:24, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

The only figures that correctly reflect the numebr correctly and are comparable is that given for Austria -- Danish citizens living in Austria by an authorative source. Given that it is the only valid figure listed, I will remove all the figures and instead replace the number with the population of Denmark. If someone in the future is doing the necessary research to find all the right numbers of Danish citizens living abroad, please use the Austrian statistics from statistik.at.--Johanneswilm (talk) 07:24, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

For some reason much of the intro is duplicated from the origins section. Should be trimmed or removed. FunkMonk (talk) 08:16, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Germanic[edit]

I am removing Alphasinus unsourced changes introducing the notion that Danes are a "Germanic ethnic group". This classification is is unsourced and arbitrary, Germanic is a linguistic category not an ethnic one and we could equally well write "indo-European ethnic group", but that also contributes no relevant information. Danes are an ethno-national group that speak a germanic language. ·Maunus·ƛ· 02:56, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

So Poles, Russians, Bulgarians, Serbians, Croatians, Ukranians, Slovenians, Czechs, Slovaks, Ruthenians, FYROM Macedonians are not Slavs? Denmark have not received any large immigrants groups in 2000 years that have changed the ethnic make up of the Danes. The majority of Danes are still descended and can trace their lineage back to the Germanic tribes. A Germanic tribe. A ethnic-linguistic group. By the same reasoning you should remove all reference to Iranian People on Pashtun, Balochi wiki etc Wis (talk) 17:39, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
"Germanic" is not about "ethnic makeup" whatever that mihgt be - it is about language. I am not making any claims about Slavs - as far as I know there may be something of a pan-Slavic identity. There is nothing such for Germanic. Germanic is a linguistic grouping - there are no "Germanic peoples" the last time such a concept had any political or cultural meaning was in the 1940'es. You claim about what Danes can trace their roots back to is not only unsourced but also unsourceable. There is no way to ascertain which amount of Danes can trace their ancestry back to which Germanic tribe. There isn't even any actual historical knowledge about such a tribe and its relations to the formation of the Danish state in the 10th century. And furthermore genealogy and tracing ancestry only has any relation to Danish identity for that tiny minority of Danes that are members of one of the small national movements. Danish people can have a wide range of ethno-national and linguistic backgrounds and be "Danes" just as much as someone who could trace his lineage to Gorm the Old. ·Maunus·ƛ· 19:08, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
So you are telling me that the people who have lived in Denmark since the Germanic migration period are not Germanic and belong to what ethnic sub group of the Indo-Europeans? What makes the different Iranian people a ethnic-linguistic people and why is there not a Germanic ethnic-linguistic people, but a Slavic? Both Slavs and Germanic people are Indo-Europeans. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavic_peoples Is is not just because of the Nazis, their Germanic ideology and the Holocaust. That you are pushing a agenda of there not being a Germanic people? Provide some proof of when the descendants of the Germanic people of the Danii stopped being Germanic and who they mixed with so that they became "mixed". There have never been a case of a large influx of immigrants to Denmark which caused the people to become mixed. Wis (talk) 21:31, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
A human lifespan is ca. 100 years. The Germanic migration happened ca. 1500 years ago. There are no people who have lived in Denmark since the Germanic migrations. I don't need tyo provide proof you would need to supply a reliable source that calls the Danes a "Germanic people". You quite obviously also know nothing of Danish migrational history, or about history or ethnicity in general. Do some reading then present a coherent argument backed up by sources rather than touting ethnic groupings from random Roman historians as if they had some kind of relevance for current the current identity of Danes. ·Maunus·ƛ· 22:42, 22 May 2011 (UTC) t
What are you talking about ? why does then Russians have east slavic in the intro and Germans does have "Germanic" or Kazakhs have Turkic in the intro , please stop reverting without a real argument and by the way what do you mean not all people are germanic , you should know that theres a diffrence between citizenship and ethnicityKids4Fun/TALK 15:02, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
Get a source that calls modern Danes "a germanic people". The fact that other articles are similar is no argument if they are sourced then that is the reason it is included there - if it is not sourced then it should probably also be removed there.·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 16:29, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
Also, I am quite aware of the difference between citizenship and ethnicity - but one can be an ethnic Dane and not have any "germanic ancestry". Being ethnically Danish is about culture not ancestry - unless you ask the DNSB of course, but they are not really the mainstream view.·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 16:31, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
oh its about the culture then good please contribute to danish culture related articles and avoid reverting edits on this article, and you dont have to be a nazi just to know that one of the main things about ethnicity is actually about ancestry ,and yes ethnicity is also about culture but that doesent change peoples ethnicity , so you mean you could choose to be russian one year just because you do russian traditions and speaking russian and the next year say "oh am a german i can speak german celebrate german traditions" and so on, so your arguemtens doesent actually work hereFREESAVELIYtalk 17:34, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
Danish ethnicity is not about ancestry and you have not provided a single reliable source that supports that view. Not even Dansk Folkepárt}i thinks of danish ethnicity in terms of ancestry - onloy in terms of culture. You obviously have not read much about the complex topic of ethniocity and less about Danish cultural history. I suggest you start paying attention to policies or you will find it hard to keep editing here.·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 00:10, 8 July 2011 (UTC)·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 18:49, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
please avoid personal attacks like "you dont know anything about it" and so on because i am very well informed about the the subject and there are plenty of Reliabile like both academic ones and simple ones done by a simple google search:[1][2][3][4] anyway thats not the point its a claim that the ethic group olny about culture and do you have sources yourself ?!FREESAVELIYtalk 13:34, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
I am not trying to introduce any claims into the article so I don't need to present sources. None of the sources that you present are both reliable and support your claim. Some of them are reliable but do not support the claim. As for personalizing the dispute you were the one who started that.·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 18:51, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
thats not what i was talking about, i did not insult you, you didFREESAVELIYtalk 19:33, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
I did notinsult you - I stated the obvious fact that you are not well versed with either the concept of ethnicity as it is used in social sciences or with Danish cultural history. If you assumed good faith you would take that as an invitation to make yourself more acquainted with the topic you are editing about, rather than as an insult.·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 19:44, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Categories[edit]

I'd think that categories such as Danish cuisine, culture, arts, etc. would fit better into the Denmark article. Is it really relevant to the article that this many Denmark-related categories be added? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sandertams (talkcontribs) 18:03, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

No they should be removed.·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 19:47, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Related groups[edit]

Ive removed the field "related ethnic groups" because it is basically an arbitrary choice which groups are considered to be related and which aren't. Different groups are related in different ways, and there are no agreed upon criteria for excluding some groups and including others. Related groups could be Germanic speaking ethnic groups, Indo-European speaking ethnic groups, Greenlanders, populations of Nordic countries, populations of former Danish colonies, ethnic with significant immigrant presence in Denmark etc. It is arbitrary to choose certain groups over others, since the relation can not be based on any exclusive it is impossible to find adequate sources. Better to leave out the field all together - anyone reading the article will realize that Danes are related to their neighboring countries and to other groups speaking Germanic languages anyway.·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 21:23, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Problems caused by moving article[edit]

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The result of the proposal was move per request.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:21, 24 August 2012 (UTC)


Danish peopleDanes – I don't know where this article was originally located, but following the example of Norwegians, Swedes, Finns and Germans this article should really be named Danes. It was clearly moved from Danes - but the result is that clicking "discussion/talk" now points to Talk:Danes/Archive 1, which means the article is now unassessed. I think we need both the talk page and the article located at "Danes" and "Talk:Danes" or "Danish people" and "Talk:Danish people". -- Peter Talk page 12:32, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

The problem with the talk page is caused by Talk:Danish people redirecting to Talk:Danes/Archive 1. All pages need to be moved manually. -- Peter Talk page 12:33, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
I have just fixed this. I moved Talk:Danes to Talk:Danish people and Talk:Danes/Archive 1 to Talk:Danish people/Archive 1 as an interim measure while discussion is ongoing. — Mr. Stradivarius (have a chat) 20:48, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. I did change the direct of Talk:Danish people to Talk:Danes, but I was a bit apprehensive about renaming the talk pages when the liklihood was they'd have to be moved back. I think that the article was moved to the current title recently without discussion, and poorly. --Peter Talk page 20:53, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Support move. Though this will take some cleaning up, it should probably be handled asap in line with the cited precedents. Cheers, Zaldax (talk) 20:01, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
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