Talk:Demián Bichir

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Is there any Greek heritage as 3 of the Bichir brothers have Greek first names? Alexandros>Alejandro, Damon/Diamianos>Demian & Odysseus>Odiseo.121.222.7.3 (talk)

Lebanese ancestry

I can't find any evidence that Demián Bichir has Lebanese ancestry. It seems that his grandparents' surnames are "Bichir", "Batres", "Nájera", and "Botello". Wikipedia previously listed him as having Lebanese ancestry, which is probably where the internet claim came from. "Bichir" could perhaps be a Lebanese surname, but there are many people with the surname whose ancestry in Mexico goes back centuries, and is not Lebanese (i.e. see this). All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 23:51, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

I wish I spoke Spanish or had a better grasp of Mexican databases -- I was looking and looking for reputable information about his Lebanese background but didn't come up with anything. I think it should be stripped as his mother's page lists her as being born in Mexico and I didn't seen anything else to point to the Arab background. Agree. Will fix right now. Thx. Erika BrillLyle (talk) 01:49, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

"Demián Bichir Nájera reconocido actor mexicano y ahora nominado a un premio Óscar, nación en la ciudad de Torreón, Coahuila, México el 1 de agosto de 1963. Proviene de una familia de origen libanés. Es hijo de Maricruz Nájera y de Alejandro Bichir, y hermano de Bruno Bichir y de Odiseo Bichir, ambos actores.[1] The most important sentence is "Proviene de una familia de origen libanés." translate from Spanish into English "Comes from a family of Lebanese origin."

I hope it is enough help for you. MaronitePride (talk) 00:12, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

And here is another source:"Los tres son hijos del director de teatro Alejandro Bichir, de origen libanés, y la actriz Maricruz Nájera."[2] roughly translates "All three are children of theater director Alejandro Bichir, of Lebanese origin, and actress Maricruz Nájera." It means the father Alejandro Bichir is of Lebanese descent, but the mother is of probably Mexican (Spanish descent).

MaronitePride (talk) 00:21, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

These are just bios that copy each other. The Lebanese statement was listed on both the English-language and the Spanish-language Wikipedia (here) for a long time, and that's probably where they all got it. It doesn't look like any of the Bichirs have ever stated that they have Lebanese ancestry/or that their grandfather (?) was Lebanese. Typically, that sort of information could be mentioned fairly often, i.e. Salma Hayek. All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 00:38, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

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Orphaned references in Demián Bichir

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Reference named "BichirCast":

• From Chaos Walking (film): N'Duka, Amanda (August 3, 2017). "Demian Bichir Joins Lionsgate's 'Chaos Walking'". Deadline. Retrieved August 14, 2017.
• From Alien: Covenant: Galuppo, Mia (February 22, 2016). "Demian Bichir Joins Ridley Scott's 'Alien: Covenant'". The Hollywood Reporter. Retrieved February 24, 2016.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 00:16, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

pronunciation of proper nouns (names) Demián

Both what is at Help:IPA/Spanish and Spanish phonology is sourced amd correct. It is actually you that don’t want to give up your own personal convictions (He pronounces his name with an N, regardless what follows it.—how do you even know that? And still, we transcribe standard pronunciation, not how he pronounces it). Mind WP:3RR and do not undo my edits unless you have reliable sources stating otherwise, or I will report you to the Administrators’ noticeboard. I have been through editions like yours too many times and I’m tired of getting involved in edit wars with stubborn people. 〜イヴァンスクルージ九十八［IvanScrooge98］（会話（ｔａｌｋ）） 16:17, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

n as m? Do you even speak Spanish? Where did you get such a ridiculous idea? The name Damian Demián ends with open lips, not a labial sound. Show any source of that pronunciation besides a wiki page.

Oh you got me, I am guilty of reverting malicious vandals on a movie page! GalantFan (talk) 17:20, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Alright.

1. Do YOU even speak Spanish? ’Cause I do, and I know that is a common feature of several Romance languages (I am a native speaker of two and learned other two of them, besides taking interests in phonetics and phonology). Either way, it should not really be about whether I am a speaker or not, as native speakers often do not realize certain phonological rules of their language, since they automatically apply them.
2. The actual source is not the wiki page, as you should know, but the citations from reliable essays by professionals who studied the topic. Ever wondered why within a word ⟨n⟩ is never followed by ⟨b⟩ or ⟨p⟩, the only nasal that can be spelled before them being ⟨m⟩? Would you even think of pronouncing campo as [ˈkanpo]? A bilabial stop after a bilabial nasal. And guess what, the same thing applies with two words in succession. Not so ridiculous, huh?
3. So I am the malicious vandal here, right? 〜イヴァンスクルージ九十八［IvanScrooge98］（会話（ｔａｌｋ）） 18:20, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Forgot: why don’t you provide proper references for what you are talking, instead? 〜イヴァンスクルージ九十八［IvanScrooge98］（会話（ｔａｌｋ）） 18:21, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

And I didn’t even see you are so knowledgeable about Spanish, instead, that you even misspelled Demián as Damian. Congrats. 〜イヴァンスクルージ九十八［IvanScrooge98］（会話（ｔａｌｋ）） 18:26, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Yes, I grew up bilingual with Mexican Spanish. Damián with an a is very common for Mexicans. My own name ends with n followed by P which according to wiki should be pronounced ...m P.... Which is as ridiculous as Demiám. Demián Bichir is also Mexican Spanish, not European. GalantFan (talk) 21:49, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

This proves my point about natives who are not experts. Very sorry that you don’t understand after all the explanations. And that you didn’t reply to all of my questions. 〜イヴァンスクルージ九十八［IvanScrooge98］（会話（ｔａｌｋ）） 22:00, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Here are references. Youtube watch?v=Q-hIW_NLrRQ

Youtube watch?v=8JfCJ6hjhpY?t=5

There is nothing expert about colloquially slurring the pronunciation of words together.GalantFan (talk) 22:29, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

In a slow pronunciation that carefully separates words, as the one in the first video (I won’t even comment the second, where Damián is in isolation), it is obvious that ⟨n⟩ is pronounced as it is spelled, but we state that already in the note I put to pointlessly try and make you stop.

It’s not ‘slurring together’, as I tried to explain from my very first edit summary, it is called assimilation and it is recognized as a standard feature of countless languages. But you clearly believe to be a better phonologist than actual phonologists who spent their whole life analyzing topics like this. 〜イヴァンスクルージ九十八［IvanScrooge98］（会話（ｔａｌｋ）） 07:26, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

If you still are not convinced (as I’m guessing), you may try open to a discussion at the proper pages (Talk:Spanish phonology or Help talk:IPA/Spanish), possibly providing sourced (academic) material for your claims, if you can find any. So you’ll see I’m not acting stubborn just for the sake of it. 〜イヴァンスクルージ九十八［IvanScrooge98］（会話（ｔａｌｋ）） 07:46, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Youtube isn't a proper source, but those cited on Spanish phonology are. Please WP:DROPTHESTICK and leave the transcription with [m] alone. If you have a problem with it, the correct place to discuss this is Help talk:IPA/Spanish. There's nothing "colloquial" about that transcription, it's standard Spanish. Kbb2 (ex. Mr KEBAB) (talk) 08:30, 11 September 2019 (UTC)