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"Biopsychiatry controversy"[edit]

Why is this under "See also"? I don't understand the relevance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.110.168.112 (talk) 10:47, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Cited information not from DSM-5[edit]

The information in the second paragraph is attributed to the DSM-5, but the diagnosis of Dissociative Disorder NOS is not even included in that version of the DSM. It was changed to be included in "PTSD with dissociative features" and "Unspecified Dissociative Disorder".

It looks like that information may actually have come from the archived American Psychiatric Association link, which is just a proposed revision, and never actually made it to publication.

I'm new to this, but I would suggest making this page about the DSM-4 diagnosis, the criteria for which can be viewed in a tab on that archived APA page, and making a new page about unspecified dissociative disorder. Either way, you need to switch to the new terminology. I would love to help out, once there's a clear direction. Stark raving sane (talk) 05:13, 14 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Move of this article[edit]

CommuniqueNew2, regarding your move of the article and edits to it, we don't simply go by DSM-5 terms and diagnoses on Wikipedia. You need to keep WP:Common name in addition to Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Medicine-related articles#Article titles in mind. I'll go ahead and point WP:Med to this matter for further input. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 21:48, 5 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

While I agree that we shouldn't merely ape DSM5 terms in general, in this case I find it hard to argue that there is a common name. As a diagnosis of exclusion, this exists within a DSM5 view of the world. I would stick with the DSM5 term. It's what all the citations appear to use. Bondegezou (talk) 12:12, 6 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I have no strong feeling regarding if we go with the DSM5 or the ICD10/11 name. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 13:41, 6 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Did they change the name of all the "not otherwise specified" disorder classifications? It's a common term, not only for this article. Interestingly, it's not just psych that uses it. It's also used in Peripheral T-cell lymphoma not otherwise specified and in sarcastic comments made by attendings. Natureium (talk) 15:32, 6 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Other specified dissociative disorder" doesn't even make sense. The whole point of this category is that the type of disorder is not specified. Looie496 (talk) 16:47, 6 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Bondegezou, Doc James, Natureium and Looie496, thanks for weighing in. I see that Natureium moved the article back to its previous title. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 21:31, 6 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This article is woefully out-of-date and incomplete[edit]

This article currently opens up with this:

Dissociative disorder not otherwise specified (DDNOS) is a mental health diagnosis for pathological dissociation that matches the DSM-5 criteria for a dissociative disorder...

That's not true. DDNOS is not and has never been in the DSM-V. It's the term from the DSM-IV. What this sentence actually describes is Other Specified Dissociative Disorder (OSDD).

I can see an argument for keeping this page up to talk about the DSM-IV, though I don't think that's in-line with what normally happens on Wikipedia considering that OSDD supersedes DDNOS and is what is used by psychiatrists today (I would normally expect the article to be titled "Other Specified Dissociative Disorder" with a mention of the old name "DDNOS" in the body, as the Gender dysphoria article does). However. If you're going to talk about something that the DSM-IV specifies and that the DSM-V does not specify, it's disingenuous to say you're citing the DSM-V. People reading this article should know that they're reading about a disorder that officially doesn't exist anymore (much like "Gender Identity Disorder", another DSM-IV term that the DSM-V dropped).

When someone tried to move this article before, someone said that that isn't to be done because of the policy of using a "common name", but DDNOS and OSDD are not defined in the same way. DDNOS, as defined by the DSM-IV, included some cases of what the DSM-V defines as DID. I also don't see any real evidence of DDNOS being used as a "common name" for OSDD. Google returns ten times more results for "OSDD" than for "DDNOS". I think it's pretty ambiguous that "OSDD" is the common term and it's also the only term endorsed by the DSM-V. It seems quite clear to me that this article should redirect to Other Specified Dissociative Disorder, not the other way around.

EDIT: Fixed a mistake in the above paragraph. onpon4 (talk) 20:36, 14 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Furthermore, this article is so incomplete it's, to me, ridiculous that it isn't categorized as a stub. It talks about OSDD (which it incorrectly calls DDNOS) so little that it doesn't even justify itself as a Wikipedia article. There are articles for shareware PC games that are better than this, and it really needs to be worked on.

onpon4 (talk) 20:01, 14 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Confusion between names[edit]

Over the past few years, and across both articles (Dissociative disorder not otherwise specified and Other specified dissociative disorder), there has been substantial confusion about the terms. I'm just going to run through it, and list the diagnoses as they appear in the currently-used DSM and ICD versions.

DDNOS is for when a treating doctor knows someone has a dissociative disorder, but for one reason or another (often time constraints), is unable to be specific about which one. OSDD is for when someone almost but not quite meets the diagnostic criteria for the named dissociative disorders, but their core symptom is a dissociative symptom. In this circumstance, the treating doctor will specify which diagnostic criteria they almost met and how exactly they didn't meet it. DDNOS is for when it's not clear, OSDD is for when it's clear but doesn't meet any of the listed diagnoses.

DDNOS in the DSM and ICD:

  • DSM-IV-TR: Dissociative Disorder Not Otherwise Specified - 300.15, p. 532
  • DSM-V: Unspecified Dissociative Disorder - 300.15, p. 307
  • ICD-10: Dissociative [conversion] disorder, unspecified - F44.9, [1]
  • ICD-11: Dissociative disorders, unspecified - 6B6Z, [2]

OSDD in the DSM and ICD:

  • DSM-IV-TR: (not present)
  • DSM-V: Other Specified Dissociative Disorder - 300.15, p. 306
  • ICD-10: Other dissociative [conversion] disorders - F44.8, [3]
  • ICD-11: Other specified dissociative disorders - 6B6Y, [4]

I am cross-posting this to the other article. --Xurizuri (talk) 02:48, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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