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Christian Union[edit]

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Hello, Bondegezou. You have new messages at Talk:Christian Union (students)#Who can join.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Also, may I recommend that you archive old content from this rather long user talk page, onto separate sub-pages? See WP:ARCHIVE. I would be willing to do it for you if you like. – Fayenatic L (talk) 07:23, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

AV deal with Labour without referendum[edit]

I accept that William Hague believed that Labour had offered AV without a referendum on 10 Maay 2010 when he conceded the referendum on live TV.

There is however no evidence that Labour made such an offer. This Michael Crick blog makes this fairly clear:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/newsnight/michaelcrick/2010/07/was_the_coalition_built_on_a_l.html

Ahead of tonight's Newsnight special on the coalition (at 2230 on BBC Two) it is worth asking a big question:

Were Conservative MPs railroaded into accepting the coalition on the basis of a lie, or at best an unfortunate misunderstanding?

That's the allegation which has been swirling round among Tories at Westminster for several weeks now.

One Conservative MP - far from a right-winger - reckons David Cameron lied to the shadow Cabinet and his backbench MPs at least four times in the hours leading up to the coalition agreement with the Lib Dems on 11 May.

The big issue is whether the Conservatives needed to offer Nick Clegg a referendum on the AV voting system.

Mystery especially surrounds what happened on the afternoon of Monday 10 May.

I recall William Hague emerging from St. Stephen's entrance of the Commons with the surprising news that the Tories would now offer the Lib Dems a referendum on AV.

I suggested to Hague that the Conservatives were now merely matching Labour, who had been promising a referendum on AV since Gordon Brown's speech at the 2009 Labour conference, and included it in their 2010 manifesto.

Oh no, Hague told me, he understood that Labour was now offering the Lib Dems AV WITHOUT a referendum.

I must admit Hague's comment disconcerted me. I failed to follow it up, simply because I feared I was uninformed and that Labour had made this promise during the course of the day and I hadn't noticed.

And it's now clear from several government Tory sources that David Cameron told both his Shadow Cabinet that afternoon, and the meeting of all Conservative MPs that evening, the same thing. His argument was that they had to do something to catch up with Labour's offer to the Lib Dems of AV without a referendum.

But it wasn't true. There's no evidence that Labour ever offered the Lib Dems AV without a referendum. Indeed it's hard to see how the Labour leadership ever could have got Labour MPs to go along with such an idea. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RichasAA (talkcontribs) 12:42, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for that detailed explanation. I've put a summary of that into the article. Bondegezou (talk) 12:53, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Psychology of pain[edit]

Continuing the email exchange:

Thank you for your kind response. I'm hoping to find editors with a broad-ish view of one or more of the sub-fields of the psychology of pain. I believe the article, Psychology of pain, may benefit from a section on health psychology as it relates to pain, and was wondering if you, or someone you know, might be interested in having a crack at it - or any other section/s. I've just asked retired Prof. Gary Rollman if he'd be interested in the psychophysics section and he has declined to do any writing but is looking for a good overview of the topic I can use as a basis for the section.

Please don't feel under any pressure at all over this, I just thought I'd run it by you in case it tickled your fancy.

Presently I would like to see the article summarise the way the following deal with pain: behavioural psychology, cognitive psychology and the psychotherapies that emerge from them, health psychology, social psychology, neuropsychology, and psychophysics; and possibly also psychophysiology, social neuroscience and psychiatry. But I'm wide open to suggestions. --Anthonyhcole (talk) 17:19, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Citation (help) needed[edit]

Thanks for the help Bondegezou! I'm not usually flustered by easy functions but multiple citations from the same source always confuse me; I never do it right! doktorb wordsdeeds 15:03, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Mid Ulster[edit]

Hey Bondegezou. Good work on Mid Ulster. I emailed the Treasury along the same lines and got nowhere! Maybe he's "done a Gerry Adams" and assumed he's resigned just by sending in a letter and not thought any more about it? In any case, we can say without doubt that there's no chance of a 2012 election date. doktorb wordsdeeds 18:22, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

My guess is he's just not done it. I'll guess we'll see if there are any further developments. And thanks for all your work on the various by-election articles! Bondegezou (talk) 21:04, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
It's back! doktorb wordsdeeds 22:03, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
Yes. I took [1] and others to be sufficient indication that this is now happening. Bondegezou (talk) 22:05, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Opinion polling for the next United Kingdom general election[edit]

Hi, just thought I'd let you know there's a little discussion going on here regarding Sheffno1gunner reverting your edits. I've warned him about mislabelling your edits as vandalism, but I suspect this issue isn't resolved yet. Thanks! – Richard BB 11:49, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Sock puppets on Opinion polling for the next United Kingdom general election[edit]

Hi there, I thought that this might interest you. Apparently much of the consensus that was achieved on the article was done through two (or more) sock puppets. I notice that these sock puppets have often argued you down when they didn't like your opinion; now that they've been exposed, I'd say now's the time for you to speak openly and freely. – Richard BB 18:46, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

Eastleigh[edit]

Hi, can I suggest a compromise? When UKIP pick a candidate we add the disputed material to that section such as 'UKIP have picked Joe Bloggs as their candidate for the by election. Nigel Farage, leader of the UK Independence Party, previously...' Rsloch (talk) 11:56, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

I don't see the point. If the material warrants inclusion after UKIP pick a candidate, it warrants inclusion now. The question is whether it warrants inclusion. On that question, I turn to policy and the amount of RS coverage.
Perhaps we should stick to the Eastleigh Talk page to continue the discussion. Bondegezou (talk) 13:33, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Plagiarism at the John Wetton article[edit]

You seem to be arguing that a little bit of plagiarism is OK, if it serves a useful purpose. I don't agree. Wikipedia has been stung badly by those who researched and discovered an awful lot of plagiarism in Wiki articles. The powers that be at Wikipedia are determined to stamp it out, and helping them to carry out that stated policy. I suggest you read the article [[2]], and then get back to me as to why this Wetton article should be allowed to continue to use plagiarized statements. If you cannot give me solid evidence that doing so is OK, under Wikipedia rules, then I will revert your last edit there. Please respond in the Plagiarism section of the Wetton Talk page. 71.93.90.163 (talk) 15:21, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Answered at Talk:John_Wetton#Plagiarized_material. In short, see Wikipedia:Plagiarism#What_is_not_plagiarism. Bondegezou (talk) 16:16, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Ekklesia (think tank)[edit]

Re Ekklesia (think tank) and negative quotes. I thought the Guardian quote from the Bishop of Willesden was a significant indicator of notabilitity and a reasonable indication of their position wrt the established church. Chuunen Baka (talkcontribs) 17:40, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

It's not The Guardian saying something about Ekklesia. It's The Guardian commenting on private comments the Bishop said on a social networking site. The thrust of the article, such as it is, is to comment on the Bishop's indiscretion. It's hard to see that as "a reasonable indication of their position wrt the established church." It would be better to have cites that are directly about Ekklesia, as with the other citation you gave. Bondegezou (talk) 18:47, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Northern Ireland "rule"[edit]

From what I remember, an editor who doesn't contribute any further ("O Fenian", I think his name was), hauled me up at the Arbitration Committee for breaking a rule agreed by the Northern Ireland project. That rule turned out to be "You can only revert once anything related to "The Troubles"". I pointed out that explaining to readers why Gerry Adams did not consider his resignation to be a resignation (or whatever!) was not directly related to "The Troubles", even if Gerry Adams himself is, and this soon closed the issue down. In short, I suspect an editor with a grudge fancied playing silly devils. doktorb wordsdeeds 16:50, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Ah. I see the problem... and also how it really isn't a problem at all! Bondegezou (talk) 17:13, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Only 3 seats.[edit]

What's the definition of 'only' in this case? Eg (or ie?) do the Lib-Dems have "only 57 Members in the House of Commons"? I note they have "only 5 seats" in the Scottish Parliament. 92.15.77.178 (talk) 00:16, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

This is a serious question. Only is a potentially weasely word, I'm definitely not trying to suggest any intention of bias, or that 3 out of...800ish isn't an entirely sensible usage, I'm just curious as I didn't actually see it on a list of words to avoid (ie, 'claims')... 92.15.74.200 (talk) 10:05, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
I think you've answered your own question. One can't give a precise definition, but it seems a reasonable word to use in this context. If you think otherwise, change it. Bondegezou (talk) 13:13, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Edit warring[edit]

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on South Shields by-election, 2013. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Please be particularly aware, Wikipedia's policy on edit warring states:

  1. Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made; that is to say, editors are not automatically "entitled" to three reverts.
  2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gruesome Foursome (talkcontribs) 16:56, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

For some reason this warning didn't display the additional text, so here it is: you not being able to understand an edit is no license to edit war [3]. Given your past statements to me about 3RR and OWN, your actions here are hypocritical, at best. The change is being made because information like that should not be presented as a list of single sentences - it should either be prose in proper paragraphs, or sectionalised. If you still can;t understand this, then use the talk page. Gruesome Foursome (talk) 17:02, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

As I said at Talk:South Shields by-election, 2013...
Gruesome Foursome, you have complained in the edit history and on my user page that I am edit warring here. I reverted three separate formatting changes you made. I only reverted each change once. This is not edit warring. Let me quote from WP:EDITWAR:
"Wikipedia encourages editors to be bold. A potentially controversial change may be made to find out whether it is opposed. Another editor may revert it. This is known as the bold, revert, discuss (BRD) cycle. An edit war only arises if the situation develops into a series of back-and-forth reverts."
You have twice previously been blocked yourself for edit-warring over Mid Ulster by-election, 2013.[4] It appears you are reacting against that previous history. Might I suggest you take another look at WP:EDITWAR? Might I also suggest that you explain your suggested changes here with respect to Wikipedia policy: see WP:EP? Bondegezou (talk) 09:17, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
EDIT WAR says "an editor who repeatedly restores his or her preferred version is edit warring". Describing the candidates as a list of single sentences was clearly your preferred version here, and you restored it three times. I see no exemption for when my attempts to fix the article (WP:EP) were all slightly different (using sections or prose both fix the problem, I'm not tied to either), nor for cases where you can't understand my clearly stated reason for making the change, so you were undoubtedly edit warring. Gruesome Foursome (talk) 19:17, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
That is not what happened. Bondegezou (talk) 08:00, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
Gruesome Foursome has since been indefinitely blocked for incivility elsewhere. Bondegezou (talk) 12:50, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Sheffno1gunner socks[edit]

Hi Bondegezou. About this edit, which I only just noticed, you're adding it to the wrong page. You need to start a new SPI report using the form at WP:SPI. If you just add a new section to the archive, no-one will see it, and you won't have the benefit of the SPI templates automatically doing the formatting for you. It's a shame I didn't see you edit earlier, because I could have done something about it, but now it's stale so there's not much point blocking. Best — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 10:25, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Ah, I see! Thanks. Your comment is timely as s/he's started up again. Report listed at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Sheffno1gunner. Bondegezou (talk) 14:22, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

UKIP article[edit]

Hi there, I've now referenced the link 'Civic nationalism' in the 'Ideology' section of the infobox. Netsurfer123(talk) , 14:09, 8th May 2013 (UTC)

I believe that it is a core part of their ideology, especially bearing in mind that so many opponents brand them 'racists'. I believe that this referenced link demonstrates that UKIP stand for a type of nationalism which incorporates many races and religions and which is not ethno-centric. It is an integral part of their ideology, hence the fact why they state that they're 'non-racist' on their website description. Netsurfer123(talk) , 18:54, 8th May 2013 (UTC)
Due to the fact that you're uncomfortable with 'Civic nationalism' being placed in the 'Ideology' section of the infobox, I have instead made reference to it under the 'Policies' section. I understand what you mean about the infobox being only a brief summary, thus I have mentioned the topic elsewhere on the article :-) Netsurfer123(talk) , 19:15, 8th May 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for your comments. Perhaps this discussion would be more useful at the article's Talk page than here? Bondegezou (talk) 08:47, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

A variety of books[edit]

Just checking - is this (your edit summary - "Given opposition to this edit, let's take it to a deletion discussion. That's the appropriate process at this point") from [[5]] the appropriate response when there is disagreement about a redirect? i.e is that an appropriate response here: [[6]? StuartDouglas (talk) 15:53, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi Stuart. I would think so. If someone wants to get rid of a whole article, then that's effectively a deletion. If someone objects and the first person persists, then an WP:AfD would be the best way to settle the matter. Bondegezou (talk) 20:47, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

re "consensus"[edit]

regarding your request for seeking consensus. Consensus has already been reached: Challenged content cannot be restored without providing reliable third party sources. There is nothing even close to a WP:RS in that content.-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 21:52, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Consensus has not been reached on this article. Take it to AfD, which is the appropriate process when wiping a whole article and the edit has been disputed. If you are unfamiliar with the process, I would be happy to walk you through it. Bondegezou (talk) 21:59, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
there is no local consensus that could be reached on the talk page that would override policy and allow the restoration of content that has been challenged without the presentation of reliably published sources. Please revert yourself or provide some reliable sources. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 22:28, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
I have nominated it for AFD if you care to come and weigh in. It's likely to merge but being a deletionist I think problem solved either way. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 00:48, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, Hell in a Bucket, but I can't see the AFD nomination...? Do you want to try again? Bondegezou (talk) 06:48, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

I actually mistook this one for another of Obverse books The Ninnies however it looks like they both fall under the same thing. Here is the link [[7]] Hell In A Bucket (talk) 07:10, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. Bondegezou (talk) 09:03, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
On which subject, what's the process here, where several different editors have removed a tag, but one editor with some sort of bizarre agenda and who has issues with the Guardian and Smooth Radio as reliable sources merely keeps changing things back (here as elsewhere)? [8]. StuartDouglas (talk) 12:44, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
WP:DISPUTE lays out the right approach to dispute resolution. Bondegezou (talk) 12:47, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
Thanks StuartDouglas (talk) 12:51, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
I'd recommend leaving the sources as they when they are added, this is will be redirected whether they are added or not. No sense in upsetting yourself for something that will not be here anyways, and if it is then we can clean the dross then. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 12:53, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Doctor Who Spin-offs[edit]

I've noticed that a lot of Doctor Who spin-offs aren't well referenced, and from some edits on some of these articles it appears you are also concerned about the quality of the coverage. I put a proposal at Talk:The Spirit Trap that maybe some lightly covered series of CDs should have a single article, either per "season" or for the whole series.

You might not have a view as to what route to take, just preferring someone to do *something* to improve these articles, but if you wish the topic is there. Rankersbo (talk) 10:03, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Agreed. Have commented there. Bondegezou (talk) 14:55, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
Please can we not throw the baby out with the bathwater, though. I appreciate that some of the extended spin-offs such as Jago & Litefoot, Companion Chronicles or Bernice Summerfield are perhaps stretching notability, but Bondegezou you appear to have pasted a deletion proposal notice on a large number of Doctor Who audios starring the original Doctor actors themselves, i.e. the Big Finish "Main Range". I think the Main Range and Eighth Doctor Adventures are sufficiently notable to be left in place, firstly because they star the original Doctor actors in their original roles, and also since the BBC have been broadcasting a selection of them on the radio and are likely to broadcast more. I mean, pretty much any branch of any major bookseller in the UK will have Main Range CDs on the shelves. They are not really a niche mail-order-only item like the extended spin-offs.
Please can we have a gentlemen's agreement that the Big Finish Doctor Who "Main Range" and EDAs are sufficiently notable, but that the spin-offs-of-spin-offs such as Gallifrey, Dalek War, Jago & Litefoot etc. require a higher degree of notability in order to avoid the cut? Andrew Oakley (talk) 23:49, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
Everything demands the same degree of notability (WP:N): we can't make local policies (see WP:LOCALCONSENSUS). I prod'ed those articles because I really don't see how they are compatible with Wikipedia policy and practice today. Great stuff for a Dr Who-specific wiki, but WP:N and WP:RS are cornerstones of how Wikipedia works and we can't keep ducking them. But that's my interpretation and I could be wrong: if you disagree, WP:DEL lays out what to do. Bondegezou (talk) 08:06, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
I interpret the flags as a kick up the backside to the Big Finish fans among wikipedia editors to improve the articles. Many Big Finish releases are given a quickly knocked together stub, but few people want to do the boring, and necessary work of searching out and providing secondary references. Many of these pages lack even the easy primary references to the Big Finish website Rankersbo (talk) 09:04, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
I have merged Gallifrey: Series 4 but note two of the episodes lack continuity sections due to your current quality drive. Basically it was a single release, like Dark Eyes, so should only have one page. Rankersbo (talk) 09:06, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for doing the merge. Merges and re-directs seem a good way to go for many of these articles (I'd suggest maybe just a single article for the whole Gallifrey series?). The numerous continuity sections across many articles look like WP:FANCRUFT: they are not supported by citations and they take an in-universe perspective. Again, I don't see how they are compatible with Wikipedia policy and practice today. There is a place for them on the Internet, I'm sure, but not on Wikipedia. But my quality drive, as you call it, has been rather haphazard! Bondegezou (talk) 09:26, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
Maybe when I have time to do this. I think I need to spend a week off hereRankersbo (talk) 13:39, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

May 2013[edit]

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Articles for Deletion[edit]

I noticed the following. Please note I did not propose it! Rankersbo (talk) 20:05, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Well, let's find some reliable source coverage, improve those articles and put forward arguments against deletion! I've begun with some work on Cold Fusion. Bondegezou (talk) 10:26, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
Great a positive attitudeRankersbo (talk) 09:07, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Nomination of Cold Fusion (Doctor Who) for deletion[edit]

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Cold Fusion (Doctor Who) is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cold Fusion (Doctor Who) until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Rankersbo (talk) 20:03, 23 May 2013 (UTC)


In passing, worth noting that the editor blocked for 72 hours may be circumventing that block (on the Zagreus talk page anyway) but using a very geogrpahically similar IP address (http://iplocation.truevue.org/41.133.1.164.html and http://iplocation.truevue.org/41.132.117.15.html) StuartDouglas (talk) 08:44, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
Yes, I noticed that at the time and put a note on the incident log. The IP addresses seem to be from the same ISP. However he didn't seem to continue to edit and either sat the weekend out (wish I did) or kept a low profile so I didn't pursue it. Rankersbo (talk) 09:07, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Nomination of Return of the Living Dad for deletion[edit]

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Return of the Living Dad is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Return of the Living Dad until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rankersbo (talkcontribs) 20:07, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Appreciation[edit]

Thanks for working to improve the Doctor Who novel articles. When I first joined Wikipedia back in 2006, one of my first manias was to stub all the Virgin and BBC novels. You know, on the premise that if you plant a seed, eventually it will blossom forth into a full article. So it's nice to see someone watering the shrubs. :) Cheers, and hope you enjoy the weekend. --Ebyabe talk - Opposites Attract ‖ 12:50, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

ABWH[edit]

Hi, i want to report that yesworld.com is going to include ABWH in Yes Discography. --79.43.0.155 (talk) 10:49, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I will review how the relevant articles are handled. I'm actually working with YesWorld these days, so I'm not certain what the implications of that are! Bondegezou (talk) 11:21, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
CttE Lyrics (IGUIGD) in YesWorld are wrong. Here the right ones:

In her white lace/She could clearly see the lady sadly looking/saying that she’d take the blame/For the crucifixion of her own domain.

I get up. I get down/I get up. I get down

Two million people barely satisfy/Two hundred women watch one woman cry/Too late.

The eyes of honesty can achieve/(She would gladly say it amazement of her story)/How many millions do we deceive/(Asking only interest could be laid)/Each day?/(Upon the children of her domain)

I get up. I get down/I get up. I get down

In charge of who is there in charge of me/(She could clearly see the lady sadly looking)/Do I look on blindly and say I see/(Saying that she'd take the blame)/The way?/(For the crucifixion of her own domain)

The truth is written all along the page/(She would gladly say it amazement of her story)/How old will I be before I come of age /(Asking only interest could be laid)/For you?/(Upon the children of her domain)

I get up. I get down./I get up. I get down./I get up. I get down.

I get up. I get down./I get up. I get down. --79.35.29.117 (talk) 10:15, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Articles for creation[edit]

Over the fall-out over article quality between various people I strayed into WP:AfC. You can lose your life there.

Have a look at this Wikipedia_talk:Articles for creation/Annie B. Bond I am thinking that this article is ready for the wider wikipedia community to have a go at. Part of me thinks she may be another McKeith or Holford, but she seems high profile enough to warrant an article. Any ideas as to what cats to put on it or tags?

There was also a UKIP candidate with an article in the creation process that I may send your way. Rankersbo (talk) 08:28, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

I've never delved into AfC before. Wow. I'll take a closer look at Annie Bond. Bondegezou (talk) 09:59, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the rewrites. Rankersbo (talk) 19:34, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

I'm currently looking at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Kernow Positive Support. The section on history needs editing down and de-WP:SOAPing a bit. I've already had this article csd'd once so it needs to be right before it goes again. Thanks for any help you can give. Rankersbo (talk) 07:57, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Big Generator cover[edit]

Big Generator cover is wrong. The correct one is yellow! The green one is alternate. --82.51.12.161 (talk) 17:09, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Doctor Who and BRD[edit]

You need to review the terms of WP:BRD. Your revert was made during an ongoing discussion, when the article should remain at the stable (with the reference to Hamlet) state. The burden is on the editor(s) wishing to make the change to gain consensus, not on those wishing to remove it. I'm not going to revert again because this will resolve itself soon, but you are warned that you are on the verge of edit warring, and should make yourself aware of how BRD and CONSENSUS actually do work. --Drmargi (talk) 16:53, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

I believe you are mistaken about BRD. The Hamlet reference was the B, it was R(everted), there is now a D(iscussion) on the Talk page. The burden is on those seeking to add the statement.
Given no citation was given for the claim and citations have now been provided specifically contradicting the claim, it clearly should not be included anyway. Wikipedia policy is pretty clear on that, if I might say so! Bondegezou (talk) 21:07, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
Me again. My apologies. I see now that the Hamlet reference was in an earlier version, so it's initial removal would be the B. However, given the citation against the claim and none for, the removal is clearly appropriate. Bondegezou (talk) 21:19, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

olinguito[edit]

Since you refuse to allow simple copy editing, I've deleted the nonsensical transcription. — kwami (talk) 14:37, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Answered at User talk:Kwamikagami. Bondegezou (talk) 14:42, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
Okay, tagged it instead. Maybe someone else will correct it, since it violates WP:DICT and is generating an error-tracking category. — kwami (talk) 14:51, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
It would help if you would explain the reasons for your edits sooner. Indeed, I would recommend to you, again, that you consider and follow WP:BRD. Bondegezou (talk) 14:54, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

WP:RESPELL[edit]

oe and ih don't exist in our RESPELL; the equivalents are oh and i. The first syllable takes 2ndary stress and should be capitalised. — Lfdder (talk) 15:15, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. It would be useful if you could bring that expertise to Talk:olinguito. I don't generally do edits on pronunciations and it took me a while to even work out why you were telling me this! Bondegezou (talk) 15:17, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Links to Scientology groups violate rules from wikipedia[edit]

This constitute propaganda, so I must to remove it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.207.187.233 (talk) 16:23, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Please explain your edits in the comment field, otherwise other editors do not know why you are doing something. Bondegezou (talk) 17:50, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

European Parliament - MEPs standing down[edit]

You appear to be right about Nattrass. He has not stated an intention to stand down. However, I have provided other sources to confirm that Godfrey Bloom will not be standing again. The Mirror source clearly states that he will sit out his term, suport Jane Collins, his replacement and maintain his UKIP membership. Maintaing membership of one party makes it impossible for him to contest an election under another party banner. Hope this helps. Thanks again for your correction on Mike Nattrass.CardBoardBoxLiving (talk) 15:39, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Arvinn Eikeland Gadgil[edit]

I spotted this in the system. He appears notable as a member of the Norwegian gov't but could do with some copyediting before going live. Rankersbo (talk) 06:46, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

DYK for London Britannia Airport[edit]

Gatoclass (talk) 08:03, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

November 2013[edit]

Please do not remove notability tags without reason. It is considered vandalism and disruptive editing. 41.132.229.100 (talk) 16:18, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Your response here appears to be a retaliation for past disagreements and warnings on your talk page rather than an honest warning. I would suggest you step back from your current actions. Bondegezou (talk) 16:36, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
41.132.229.100 has since been blocked for one day. Bondegezou (talk) 19:52, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Wythenshawe Byelection[edit]

Hi :-) Thanks, for taking an interest in my edits of the upcoming byelection. I've been having problems sorting the table out, you mentioned I was using the incorrect format, could you point me in the direction of the correct format please? In line with previous byelections, it is standard to add the candidate box as soon as we have candidates to put in them and then add other candidates as they are announced. I have also started this discussion on the talk page. Cheers Owl In The House (talk) 14:44, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Someone else nominated this, but didn't alert you.[edit]

[9]. 41.132.48.255 (talk) 05:53, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Can you do something about this?[edit]

Hey Bondegezou! I hope you're well. Sorry to post here, but I thought you could do something. It seems HurluGumene is editing Yes-related articles and moving the ledes into the main body as "Overview". Why, and why Yes-related articles, is beyond me. I have reverted them once and they have been changed back. Their reasons: "Better that way!". Can something be done? LowSelfEstidle (talk) 17:38, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

I'm on something of a wiki-break for a week or two, so unlikely to have much input. Have you discussed what the Manual of Style recommends with HurluGumene? Bondegezou (talk) 01:09, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

UK Independence Party[edit]

Please see the discussion at Talk:UK Independence Party#Request for comment about whether academic sources describing the UK Independence Party as far-right are reliable. LordFixit (talk) 07:16, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

The Dolphin of Constructive Comment[edit]

Bottlenose Dolphin KSC04pd0178.jpg The Dolphin of Constructive Comment
Thanks for your level-heded contribution at Talk:UK_Independence_Party#Request_for_comment!

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Balaenoptera musculus (talk) 12:12, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

An Independence from Europe[edit]

Bit of a problem with dates in this and related articles. You wrote that the party was launched in 2013, infobox says founded in 2013, Nattrass was deselected by UKIP in 2013, he launched AIFE in November 2013 etc. Similar dates appear in related articles. But, the Electoral Commission database shows An Independence from Europe was registered by Nattras on 26 June 2012. Now, I understand that a party can be formed and launched on different dates, but the discrepancies here are startling. Any ideas how to proceed on this? Emeraude (talk) 11:00, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

The Electoral Commission also records annual statement filed on 18 March 2013 (total income a £25 donation and total expenditure £25 on miscellaneous). Emeraude (talk) 11:03, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

I guess we just report everything. I'll have a go at an edit. Bondegezou (talk) 11:14, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
That looks good. It's an interesting concept though - registering a party while still a member of another over a year beofre the apparent split. Clearly more than meets the eye here. Emeraude (talk) 11:38, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
Yes, indeed. Very interesting find. I think Nattrass was unhappy with the UKIP leadership for a while. I'll see if there's any more RS citations covering the period that might be relevant. Bondegezou (talk) 13:38, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for April 26[edit]

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Newark by-election Infobox[edit]

Hi. Request you to provide your opinion regarding the inclusion of candidates in an infobox of an ongoing by-election here. Thanks. Ali Fazal (talk) 12:25, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

Gillian McKeith[edit]

You're literally edit warring with me making edits to force negative information into a biography of a living person- some of it is sourced to the Daily Mail, some of it isn't sourced at all. It's entirely possible that the content does belong in the article, but until we have better sources, it's going to have to stay out- that's the very essence of our biographies of living people policy. J Milburn (talk) 11:16, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Just to be clear- I misread the PhD thing, and assumed she had a legitimate PhD in some non-nutrition subject which she was using to add weight to her claims about nutrition. However, "by implication referring to the controversial manner in which she attained her Doctor of Philosophy degree" seems to be unsourced editorialising. We get that Goldacre has issues with her, we don't need to list and explain every reference he makes to her qualifications. The Mail thing stands, though- we can't include negative information about a living person sourced to a newspaper of the Mail's quality. Guardian, Telegraph, Times and the like, yes. Mail? Certainly not. J Milburn (talk) 11:30, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
A single revert of an edit does not constitute edit warring: it is a natural part of the WP:BRD cycle. Your edit has been reverted, so I suggest you now take the matter to the Talk page for discussion. (My apologies if you've already done that as well. I haven't checked yet.) The details of your concerns are better discussed there than here. Bondegezou (talk) 14:12, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
I've replied there, as well as asked for a third opinion at the BLP noticeboard. I apologise for suggesting (and retract my suggestion that) you were edit warring, which you clearly were not. J Milburn (talk) 16:23, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

projekcts[edit]

Hi, why did you undo my edit? I'm not complaining. I need to know for future reference. If you simply undo an edit without an explanation, new editors or relatively new editors won't understand your rationale. RegardsCaesarsPalaceDude (talk) 19:08, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

There is no need for such notes as to what other articles link to an article. Bondegezou (talk) 19:36, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
OK, however your undo removed the link that I created from Anglagard to that section of Projekts. Also, the note that I created was exactly, to the letter, what the guidelines were telling me to do. MOS Piped links I would greatly appreciate it if you could change it back to the way it was,please. RespectfullyCaesarsPalaceDude (talk) 19:54, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
You are mistaken, I believe. My undo removed only the note, and the note is not what the guidelines tell you to do. The link you created on the Anglagard article was not affected by anything I did. Bondegezou (talk) 21:53, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
Hi Bondegezou, so, can you explain to me, please, what I've done wrong, and how I can get it right? RegardsCaesarsPalaceDude (talk) 23:07, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
Hi Bondegezou and CaesarsPalaceDude. Such a note is recommended by MOS:LINK2SECT when piping a link:
"When doing this, add a hidden comment to the target section such as <!-- the article WP:LINK links here --> so that someone changing the title of that section can fix the incoming links."
I've re-added it just below the section heading. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 06:46, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for the explanation Voceditenore. My apologies, CaesarsPalaceDude, for my error and the confusion it must have caused you. I hope the other problem you were having with the link has also been resolved. Bondegezou (talk) 10:41, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
Don't worry, Bondegezou. I had no idea about that guidance either until CaesarsPalaceDude asked me about it and I looked it up. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 11:00, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

An Independence from Europe[edit]

I see you deleted the external links to the party's leaflets. I'd wondered about that. Clearly, linking to a party's website for direct propaganda is not acceptable, but that's not the case here. However, neither does it appear to be an archive or repository for election leaflets (that would be useful). Not that I intend to, but would it be acceptable do you think to link there if the text says that party is in favour of X and the leaflet supports that as a reference? Emeraude (talk) 09:44, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

WP:COPYVIO, surely, means we can't link to someone who has put leaflets up without evidence of permission to do so. I have no problem with linking to the party's website or using a leaflet as a reference on matters of what the party's policy is. Bondegezou (talk) 15:25, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
I wouldn't have though so. Copyvio surely only applies to copying a work and passing it off as your own. Just linking to a leaflet is the same as linking to an online book or magazine article. Used properly (i.e. in a reasonable quote with attribution) should not be a problem, and I have never to my knowledge seen a political leaflet with a copyright assertion, icluding those that rattled through my doors yesterday on their way to the bin. Grey area though. Emeraude (talk) 09:20, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
WP:ELNEVER is what I should have cited. Everything is copyrighted: it doesn't need a copyright assertion to be so. Whatever those links were, they didn't appear to be to an official or approved archive, so we must assume that they were violating copyright. At least, that's how it seems to me. If I scanned a magazine article and stuck it on Dropbox, the same would apply. Bondegezou (talk) 09:47, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
Good point. Emeraude (talk) 11:34, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Things we have in common[edit]

Hi Bondegezou, my area of interest is bands like Yes, King Crimson, U.K., Änglagård, and many other prog bands, some of them obscure. When I looked at your user page, I quickly realised that you were one of the good guys (because you care, among many reasons). So, we could look at the discussion above as a way to introduce ourselves, and that would be a positive outcome, regardsCaesarsPalaceDude (talk) 00:55, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

It's very nice to meet you. I could tell by your username that you liked similar bands. :-) Plenty of Wiki-work to be done on prog rock bands. Bondegezou (talk) 09:49, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
Hi Bondegezou, you could take a look, if you like, at my post at the Progressive Rock talk page. This particular band has nothing to do with doom metal, and everything to do with symphonic prog; even though it is called "Cathedral". I would value your opinion, if you have the time, regardsCaesarsPalaceDude (talk) 21:09, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

WikiProject Elections and Referendum article tagging[edit]

Hi Bondegezou. Sorry to have to post directly on your talk page, but you may have noticed (on the WP:Elections and referendums talk page) that I am trying to get all the election and referendum articles tagged for the project. Unfortunately this is not making any progress, as people are claiming there is no consensus to do this, as no-one has responded on the Project talk page. Could you possibly comment on the proposal at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Elections and Referendums#Bot to tag articles for the WikiProject, as I'm getting rather frustrated by the attitude of the people at WP:BTR. Cheers, Number 57 12:34, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Clacton by-election, 2014[edit]

There is no comma in the BBC's text and the BBC's text is wrong and clearly makes no grammatical sense. What do we do. Shall I find a news organisation to cite that has some people who are capable of transcribing without being illiterate? --LeedsKing (talk) 20:54, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

WP:QUOTE lays out the approach Wikipedia takes. If the lack of comma disturbs you, you can use "[square brackets] for added or replacement text", i.e. add "[,]" where you think the comma is needed. Bondegezou (talk) 06:39, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Yes/ABWH[edit]

Please see my comments at Talk:Yes (band). The biggest problem, IMO, is that ABWH were occasionally called "Yes", but Yes were never, to my knowledge, called "ABWH". Perhaps this discussion should extend to the Anderson Bruford Wakeman Howe article and its talk page. Best, Joefromrandb (talk) 22:53, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Article on Ruchir Sharma[edit]

Thank you for your feedback on the--Zj007ny (talk) 21:14, 30 September 2014 (UTC) article. I notice you wrote KEEP, so does that mean the consensus has been reached? Would you be kind enough to tell me how to close it so it does not get deleted? Also, any feedback with regards to how to improve would be greatly appreciated.

Answered at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ruchir Sharma. Bondegezou (talk) 09:03, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Camp Sovereignty[edit]

I added some references to Camp Sovereignty. You may want to revisit Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Camp Sovereignty. Eastmain (talkcontribs) 21:23, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Lanark and Hamilton East (UK Parliament constituency)[edit]

Morning.

A user moved the above to just Lanark and Hamilton East some time ago, and as I'm not an admin, I can't do a thing about it. As you know, the project was able to make (UK Parliament constituency) a disambiguation permitted to be included on the relevant articles, so could you or someone you know please move the latter to the former? I've done a *very* naughty thing by doing a copy/paste edit, but you know me and this topic, I'm passionately against exceptions being created. Any help would be appreciated doktorb wordsdeeds 08:41, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi doktorb. You don't need to be an admin to move a page: anyone can do it. But now you've recreated Lanark and Hamilton East (UK Parliament constituency), Lanark and Hamilton East can't be moved back because there's something in the way! So now we do need an admin. I suggest you go to WP:RM. Bondegezou (talk) 09:04, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
Haha, oh will this bumbling ninny ever learn! I will see what I can do, ta Bonde! doktorb wordsdeeds 09:06, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Invitation to RfC[edit]

The mediation Wikipedia talk:Requests for mediation/Ayers Rock (band) have convened an RfC in order to stimulate discussion on the key issue in the mediation. Unfortunately, only a few Wikipedians have expressed an opinion which is causing a dilemma. All parties have agreed on a shortlist of editors whose thoughts, and experience we believe will be valuable to this RfC. You are, therefore, personally invited to assist us, by giving your opinion, whatever that may be at the Ayers Rock RfC CaesarsPalaceDude (talk) 10:00, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Just to let you know that a couple of editors on our short list have responded to our call for help with the RfC. If you intend to contribute to the RfC, we will certainly wait. If you have already decided to pass, could you drop us a line on this talk page or somewhere we are going to see it, please? The thing is that we have been on this mediation so long that I have no desire to count the months; some closure would be nice. Thankyou for your time. CaesarsPalaceDude (talk) 09:10, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
Hi. I've had a look and didn't feel I had anything to offer the discussion. Bondegezou (talk) 15:21, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. Have a great day. CaesarsPalaceDude (talk) 17:25, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Henry Cow[edit]

Hello. There was a discussion about was Roelofs a member of Henry Cow on Henry Cow talk-page as it is not so clear. I recommend you to read the referrences and say your own opinion. 87.93.68.108 (talk) 16:54, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

Experiment on how to get people to edit Wikipedia[edit]

Hello. Nice Op-ed in The Signpost! You might find Insights into abdominal pregnancy of interest. Part (talk) 09:45, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. Will take a look. Bondegezou (talk) 13:32, 7 December 2014 (UTC)