Talk:Dutch Ruppersberger

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The following paragraph seems a bit like a campaign ad:

"Ruppersberger aims to create jobs and rebuild the economy in Maryland and across the country. He also aims to improve healthcare and to aide senior citizens by providing quality, affordable and accessible healthcare and prescription drugs. The Congressman considers one of his highest priorities to improve the security of the United States and to direct fiscal energies towards "first responders", such as the police and fire departments." --Jdurbach 03:54, 1 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The entire early life and political career section sounds like campaign mythology. It is not a biography and should be flagged and edited or removed. Surely this problem is common with politicians' pages. --kgustaf 12:03, 24 March 2008 (EDT)

Issue addressed. ~PescoSo say•we all 15:10, 21 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Campaign ad[edit]

Are you bloody serious with this? Who'd he hire to write this thing, his campaign manager?

Ruppersberger aims to create jobs and rebuild the economy in Maryland and across the country. He also aims to improve healthcare and to aide senior citizens by providing quality, affordable and accessible healthcare and prescription drugs. The Congressman considers one of his highest priorities to improve the security of the United States and to direct fiscal energies towards "first responders", such as the police and fire departments.22:56, 6 November 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.100.172.40 (talk)

This section has been removed. The article, for the most part, appears to stick to objective things now. ~PescoSo say•we all 15:10, 21 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I notice CutOffTies undid my rather innocuous and totally factual edit adding: “Despite having never served in the Military, although being of prime draft age during Vietnam,” as a lead in to the rest of the paragraph touting his support for soldiers: "Ruppersberger founded the “Operation Hero Miles” program" ….”

I can’t figure out to which FACTS he takes exception:

- That Dutch was born in 1946?

- That Dutch NEVER Served in the Military (according to Vote-MD.org at: http://vote-md.org/intro.aspx?state=md&id=mdruppersbergerca among several other references)? (1946 was the mode year for Vietnam era draftees according to Chance and Circumstance, the definitive reference on the Vietnam War Draft)

- That Dutch now serves on the House Armed Services Committee (HASC) and two prominent subcommittees? (Nice to be able to start at the top without enduring any of that nasty stuff most must do to get there like Basic Training)

- Or that now late in life he is touting his support for the Military by exploiting the "Operation Hero Miles" program (if he just did it and didn’t brag about it I might be a little more tolerant).

I would suggest either add my edits or remove the reference to “Operation Hero Miles.” Either way this makes it neutral instead of a Campaign Ad. — Preceding unsigned comment added by The-Expose-inator (talk • contribs) 15:22, 9 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You need to find sources that support this: "Despite having never served in the Military, although being of prime draft age during Vietnam". From Wikipedia's policy on No Original Research (emphasis mine): (according to Vote-MD.org at: http://vote-md.org/intro.aspx?state=md&id=mdruppersbergerca among several other references and Chance and Circumsatnce identifies 1946 as the mode age of VN Draftees)
The term "original research" (OR) is used on Wikipedia to refer to material—such as facts, allegations, ideas, and stories—for which no reliable published source exists. That includes any analysis or synthesis of published material that serves to advance a position not advanced by the sources. To demonstrate that you are not adding OR, you must be able to cite reliable, published sources that are both directly related to the topic of the article, and directly support the material as presented.

--CutOffTies (talk) 15:45, 9 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Your need to find a reliable source that discusses the subject and Vietnam before inserting it into the article. Thank you --CutOffTies (talk) 19:20, 16 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
In the 2011 House of Representatives there ar 88 Veterans (63 Republicans and 25 Democrats), the lowest number since WWII, and Dutch isn't one of them. http://www.wnyc.org/articles/its-free-country/2010/nov/11/number-veterans-congress-sink-new-low/ (The-Expose-inator (talk) 18:38, 26 August 2011 (UTC))[reply]

How about an E-Mail directly from Dutch stating he "Never Served in the Military," is that a "reliable source?" See below:

Forwarded Message -----

From: Dutch For Congress <godutch@dutchforcongress.com> To: a_col@ymail.com Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 1:38 PM Subject: FW: FW: Support for the Military

Thank you very much for your comments about my support of the military. While I never served in the military, I have the utmost respect for the commitment and strong work ethic of our men and women in uniform and want to use my role in Congress to help promote the sacrifices they make every day so that we can continue to enjoy our freedoms. As the Ranking Member of the Intelligence Committee, I realize the tremendous work our service men and women do throughout the world to protect us and I want to make sure their families are given the support they need while their loved ones are away.

Dutch (The-Expose-inator (talk) 16:30, 10 October 2011 (UTC))[reply]

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This entire article needs to be rewritten.[edit]

This page does not read like a proper Wikipedia article for a politician. Many things were obviously written by a campaign staffer, and many of the subtopics have no reason to be included at all. The trauma section needs to be removed. I am removing it now, and the sections can be rewritten providing only facts rather than the mess of campaign propaganda that is on the page now.VisaBlack (talk) 04:55, 3 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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