Talk:Edvard Sylou-Creutz

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A fact from Edvard Sylou-Creutz appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 30 March 2010 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that from March 1940, Edvard Sylou-Crantz worked out of Germany as a Norwegian-language propagandistic radio news reader?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2010/March.

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Not up to standard[edit]

This page is not up to standard. What happened to him after he left the radio? What happened at the end of the war? Is his music any good? no page about a Nazi collaborator should end in 1942. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.169.162.100 (talk) 08:34, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I can't say anything other than: I blame the sources. Wikipedia (being a tertiary source) is no better than the sources we, the writers, have access to. Geschichte (talk) 15:24, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Possible hoax?[edit]

Never read about this Norwegian and a search for him in Norwegian on Google brings no results - very strange if he had such a central position. As this page is on the frontpage now I suggest it be checked out quick. Ulflarsen (talk) 09:34, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I can not find any reference to this article in Norwegian when I search for him in Google, would be very good if an administrator could look into this - I find it very strange that information about such a person is not available on the web. Ulflarsen (talk) 11:01, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I do not understand how such a deficient article can get a place on the frontpage. "Edvard Sylou-Crantz" has no relevant references in a Google search both in Norwegian and English. The only results in English are from this new-written article at Wikipedia. I am aware that there are given some references from two Norwegian books, but the person should also have some relevant entries on internet. User:Geschichte should be contacted to sort out this issue. If the problem of unreferenced material still exist after that, removing the article from frontpage is the best solution. After all, we can not mislead our readers in this way. This seems to be an early April fool. – Sandip90 (talk) 11:12, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The person's name seems to be spelled wrongly. His name is spelled "Edvard Sylou-Creutz (Kreutz)". See here. – Sandip90 (talk) 11:17, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There seems to be a person by that name, but did he do what the article says? I still can not find any sources for that in Norwegian, I checked Norsk Krigsleksikon and Store Norske Leksikon and I do find anything there. Strange and I propose we delete most, if not all of the content due to lack of sources. Ulflarsen (talk) 11:48, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Did you check the sources the article actually cites? I see no reason to not assume good faith here. After all the article is not written by a novice editor. Rettetast (talk) 16:43, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I did not check the sources as I do not have access to them, except one - there is a link to the article about Mogens, but there is nothing about the Sylou-Creutz in that article. The references on the web regarding Sylou-Creutz seems to be based on this article. I would be happy if anyone with access to the books mentioned as sources check if he is actually mentioned there, should not take long for someone near a library with those books, which I am currently not. Ulflarsen (talk) 12:06, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I happened to notice this discussion and felt I should give my 2 cents. Why on earth would Geschichte, one of our most active Norwegian contributors, carry out a hoax? That makes no sense whatsoever to me. Now, I have checked for Sylou-Creutz in the book Krigens Dagbok Norge 1940-1945 and he's mentioned twice (pages 260 and 338). On page 260 he's refered to as the Nazi "music boss" (Norwegian: "Musikksjefen") who in August 1942 banned six Norwegian artists. On page 338 he's referred to as "the Nazi musician" (Norwegian: "nazimusikeren") Sylou-Creutz playing for an audience of 48 in Stavanger in connection with the 100th anniversary of the birth of Edvard Grieg in June 1943. I'll go ahead and add this information Oh, and in Krigens Dagbok his first name is spelled Edward with a w. Having references online has nothing to do with a person's notability. I find this lack of good faith towards Geschichte quite disturbing, to be honest. And what lack of sources are you referring to? Before starting to throw these kinds of accusations around, go to a library and retrieve the referenced book. Or do the sensible thing and assume good faith. Manxruler (talk) 23:11, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

~~Two~~ Four on-line book sources added as well. Manxruler (talk) 00:22, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Good that Manxruler seems to have settled the questions I raised regarding the article. As I wrote previously I did not have access to the books and so I could not check it myself. Ulflarsen (talk) 14:05, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

And that's why we've got WP:AGF. We do not need to have access to the books. It's enough that one of us does, and that it's possible for the rest of us, should we make the effort, to acquire the books as well. Manxruler (talk) 15:47, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]