Talk:Everett High School (Michigan)

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Nothing about the 1978 school shooting?

Why is there nothing here about the shooting that happened in 1978? It is one of the United States first school shootings, so shouldn't it be listed? I can't remember who the two students who were shot were but I remember Roger Needham was the shooter. I also know it happened next to locker 02-069 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.162.220.47 (talk) 02:33, 3 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What makes you think that was anywhere near the "first" school shooting in the US? It is not really an important event in the worldview of things, and that is the viewpoint Wikipedia articles are supposed to have. Plus, does anyone see a good reason to be naming a juvenile offender from 35 years ago? The kid is most likely clear of the criminal justice system by now. I am removing it. Gtwfan52 (talk) 05:04, 29 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

School Shooting Addition[edit]

After I saw this edit was marked as potential vandalism I checked the source listed and it does indeed say this occurred. However, I dug a little more and found an article on the school's website. It pretty much reiterated what was said here, but a comment by a school faculty member in the comments section set the record straight on the issue of the Ph.D. Take a look for yourself: http://myvikingvoice.com/2011/05/12/mysteries-of-everett-hidden-doors-unfinished-art/ --157.154.3.140 (talk) 19:30, 1 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a point here? The school's website is not a reliable source for material like this. Rightfully as the story is highly inaccurate. This incident was over one hundred years removed from the first school shooting nor was it anywhere near the first school shooting in Michigan. The worst school massacre in US history occurred in Michigan and long before this incident. This page is not for discussion of the subject of this article, it is to discuss the content of the article. See WP:NOTFORUM. So, is there anything on point you wish to say here? John from Idegon (talk) 19:45, 1 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure what you are referring to. I'm pretty sure the added section never mentioned the "first school shooting in Michigan", nor the "worst school massacre in US history". And in my defense, I was not attempting a discussion on the subject. I was trying to make it clear that more research should be done on this, and more sources located. I'll admit it was a poor decision on my part to include a link to a school website article, and for that I apologize. But, again, I did not wish nor intend to treat this as a forum. --157.154.3.140 (talk) 20:12, 1 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Just for transparency, I changed my username. I'm the same editor as objected in the section above. My objections really haven't changed in the nearly six years since. This incident is piece of the 75 year history of this school. It isn't the whole story. I would not object to a sentence (maybe two) about the shooting in a larger section on the entire history of the school. But to mention the shooting alone paints an unfair picture of the school. Please realize, and thank you for adding the website link to prove it, that there is a romanticized false narrative about this shooting that is clearly the accepted truth at the school. There is nothing whatsoever distinguishing about a shooting in an urban school in the 70s. It happened regularly. They weren't insane massacres like we see today, but rather personal beef or gang related. But it wasn't unusual. So to give this appropriate weight, it must be covered in the larger picture of the school's entire history. Keep in mind that whatever we include must be accurately paraphrased from whatever reliable sources we identify and choose to use; and just as importantly, whatever we write must be about the school. The name of the shooter is unimportant outside the school's community. We shouldn't use it, especially since he has apparently cleaned up his act and made a life for himself. His name does not need to be memorized forever on one of the most widely read websites in the world. The fact that he did straighten out is in no way about the school. We should cover the event succinctly (perhaps "on mm dd, 1978, a confrontation occurred which resulted in a shooting, leaving one student dead and another with minor injuries. The shooter gave himself up at the scene and was tried and convicted as a juvenile.") But we shouldn't mention it at all without a context of a reasonable history of the school in which this is just one event. My 2c. John from Idegon (talk) 22:54, 1 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]