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World Basketball Champions' Teams[edit]

I like the idea, thanks to whoever found all the names of the players, but it should be cleaned up a bit. What does everyone think of turning the "look" of the article into more of a FIFA world cup look. Such as having First and Second place teams, and the links to the teams lead to their basketball teams. That's going to take some work, but is anyone up for it. And if not, what do you think? --Hurricane Angel 01:20, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

"Third Place Match"[edit]

Shouldn't it be "Third Place Game" or "Third Place Playoff"? We have basketball games, not basketball matches. --Howard the Duck 13:57, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

I changed it already. --Howard the Duck 05:19, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Champions[edit]

Strangely, according to the FIBA web site (in spanish) Brazil has 5 championships and Argentina two:

http://www.fiba2006.fiba.com/pages/esp/fe/06_wcm/pres/hist/allTimeMeda.asp?selNodeID=725&openNodeIDs=725&level2MenuBgColor=%23B30707&level2MenuBorderColor=white&level2MenuHlBgColor=white&level2MenuHlTextColor=black&level2MenuTextColor=white&level3MenuBgColor=white&level3MenuBorderColor=black&level3MenuHlBgColor=black&level3MenuHlTextColor=%23B30707&level3MenuTextColor=black&roundID=3507&selTopLevNodeID=715

Does anybody know what happened in those years, and why is different depending on the web site language?

I counted them, and Wiki is consistent with the list. --Howard the Duck 16:10, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Title: FIBA World Championship[edit]

Shouldn't this article be moved to FIBA World Championship? "Basketball World Championship" Only seems to be a nickname for the said tournament. "FIBA World Championship" is the official name of the tournament.

User:Mkr moved it already. --Howard the Duck 16:26, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Map[edit]

I'm planning to create a map but there are many defunct countries... --Howard the Duck 16:44, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

I've created a map. If there are some omissions, post on the Image's discussion page or at my talk page. Thanks. --Howard the Duck 05:47, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Poll[edit]

Who is going to be crowned this sunday Spain (ESP) or Greece (GRE)?

1 For greece

Revert[edit]

I self-reverted the "Comprehensive team results in each World Championship" section but it was a duplicate of the same section found at National team appearances in the FIBA World Championship. --Howard the Duck 02:58, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

SFR Yugoslavia, FR Yugoslavia, Serbia and Montenegro, Serbia[edit]

  1. Did FIBA recognize FR Yugoslavia as the successor state of SFR Yugoslavia?
  2. Did FIBA recognize Serbia and Montenegro as the successor state of FR Yugoslavia?
  3. Did FIBA recognize Serbia as the successor state of Serbia and Montenegro?

--Howard the Duck 17:18, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

NO it Does Not http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fc/FIBA/fibaHist/p/openNodeIDs/987/selNodeID/987/fibaHist.html


Yes, Fiba officially recognized all of those, in Fiba Serbia is the direct descendent of SFR Yugoslavia.
What I know is only FIBA recognized the records of FR Yugoslavia to Serbia and Montenegro, which was succeeded by Serbia. SFR Yugoslavia had many player outside Serbia. --Howard the Duck 04:05, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
FIBA transferred SFR Yugoslavia's records to FR Yugoslavia because it was the continuation of SFRY, other countries like Croatia and Bosnia succeeded and created their own new countries even if SFRY had many non-Serbian players on the teams Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, and FYROM still broke off from the original country.. Do you understand what I'm saying? FR was the direct continuation of SFR and in turn SCG is the continuation of FR and Serbia is the continuation of SCG.
Take a look at the 2 references. On the first ref, the PDF by FIBA, there are 2 Yugoslavias on the last page. On the USA Basketball link, they've listed only one Yugoslavia, with an asterisk "*In 1998 Yugoslavia included only Montenegro and Serbia". Since FIBA > USAB, I chose to follow the FIBA PDF. --Howard the Duck 05:12, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
Howard:

as somebody already pointed out to you, Croatia (and others) have separated from Yougoslavia, while Serbia stayed as its sucessor, and that is being recognized by virtually all international organizations, including FIBA. You may want to look at Serbia team profile at official eurobasket site, and you'll see that sucesses of SFRY basketball are listed there: http://www.eurobasket2007.org/en/cid_BqypGFJPHy-Nw4lwIAq,v3.teamID_96799.compID_qMRZdYCZI6EoANOrUf9le2.season_2007.roundID_5169.coid_J6itdCOZG-U2fSw6JdXEE0.articleMode_on.html

You may also want to compare it with with Croatia team profile on the same site. Of course, this all does not mean that non-Serbian players didn't have a strong impact on SFRY results, they contributed immensely, but the fact is Yugoslavia has a legal sucessor state (which is not the case for Soviet Union or Czechoslovakia).

Read this scroll to the very bottom. --Howard the Duck 03:11, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

FR Yugoslavia as the successor state of SFR Yugoslavia, Serbia and Montenegro as the successor state of FR Yugoslavia, Serbia as the successor state of Serbia and Montenegro!!! That should count!

Aca Srbin, 30. 09. 2009. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aca Srbin (talkcontribs) 10:14, 30 September 2009 (UTC)


Serbia is successor of Yugoslavia so correct the table!!!! Count all of medals to successor state of Serbia! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.223.15.37 (talk) 17:31, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Go tell that to FIBA. We only follow them. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 23:45, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

To put it simple: The SUMMARIES table (under the RESULTS header) lists "Yugoslavia" as the World Champions in 1970, 1978, 1990, 1998 and 2002. However, notice how the first three have a different flag, with a red star in the middle. This means the original SFR Yugoslavia, which disbanded in 1994. The last two don't have the star, which makes it the flag of FR Yugoslavia - the state which later turned to Serbia and Montenegro, but only in 2003!!!!! This is all correct, BUT... The MEDAL table shows Yugoslavia with 3 gold medals (correct) and Serbia with 2 gold medals - not correct! The winner in 1998 and 2002 was then known as FR Yugoslavia! This distinction should be made, just as it was done in the table above it. I was very confused when I was looking in the SUMMARIES table for a FIBA World Cup in which "Serbia" as such finished as champions. There isn't any. It was FR Yugoslavia.186.205.93.19 (talk) 00:54, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

To tell you the truth, I honestly don't know, since Serbia has to place fourth or better after Montenegro separated (until now); my gut fell is, having seen FIBA allocate FR Yugoslavia's records to Serbia, they'd also do the same thing here. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 03:23, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Tournament articles[edit]

The Spanish Wikipedia has articles for each and every tourney. If anyone has Spanish skills (mine is very bad), it'll be great if they're translated. --Howard the Duck 16:18, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Prestige[edit]

"The World Championship gold medal is considered to be just as prestigious as the Olympic Basketball Tournament gold medal." Are you kidding? The players that show up, the size of the crowds, and the television viewership numbers would all strongly disagree—that's just silly. Fridgey34 (talk) 13:51, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

I am in complete agreement with Fridgey34. And the choice of "source" (or reference) is hardly authoritative. I would say the opposite of the article's statement is much closer to the truth. Therefore I have hidden the sentence, with plans to delete it after enough time on this discussion board.--SidP (talk) 01:31, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
I think Coach K had a good answer when he was asked about this. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 02:06, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Yugoslavia won 5 gold ones[edit]

And in the table below says the States are number 1 with 3 gold medals, and Yugoslavia is number 2 with also 3 golds (when it's clearly Yugoslavia won 5 gold medals). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.73.32.45 (talk) 06:04, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Mauzervlada, 9 September 2010[edit]

To whom it may concern,

By the international law countries which are successors of former countries should be placed in medal charts as successors. Therefore Serbia should be put together with Yugoslavia and Russia should be put with USSR. That means that Yugoslavia/Serbia should have 5 basketball world cups. Same thing with all other tournaments.

Best regards

See these:
  1. Scroll all the way to the bottom
  2. Scroll all the way to the bottom, then click "WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP MEN MEDAL TABLE 1950-1998" which also has Spain who won in 2006.
It's been established that FIBA keeps the records of SFR Yugoslavia and FR Yugoslavia/SCG as separate. I'm interested where they'll include SRB. Same for USSR and Russia. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 10:31, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
Funny Mauzervlada, I'm aware of no international law which requires successors to be placed with former countries in the medal charts. Second, I'd find it hard to believe that FIBA, as a non-state actor could possibly be bound by said international law. Finally, hasn't anyone from Serbia ever heard of the Badinter Commission? Where the UN SPECIFICALLY stated that Serbia and Montenegro were NOT the successors and that all of the former republics were EQUAL successors...that doesn't ring a bell for anyone? Bds69 (talk) 13:11, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

FIBA World Championships medals' table 1950-2006 http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fc/FIBA/fibaHist/p/openNodeIDs/987/selNodeID/987/fibaHist.html Pantagana (talk) 21:01, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

The one on archive.fiba.com is newer so that's the one I followed. –HTD 04:09, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

I agree that we are supposed to follow official data, but FIBA seems to be messy here. For a period, country X is a sole successor, than for a period on their pages country X is not a sole successor. This looks like "love me, love me not, love me etc.". Are we going to change our page every few months depending on the webmaster who cropped the countryname so the name can fit in the table cell?

I have a proposal for all participants here: let's find out who in FIBA creates those pages. Who in FIBA decides who will be the successor and who will not?

When the question of succession of former Yugoslavia arised, there was a Badinter's Comittee that gave its opinion about the succession of Yugoslavia. We all know who were the members of that comittee. Who was in FIBA when the succession of Yugoslavia's medal was discussed? Which FIBA's body decided that? Or FIBA's policy on their pages is being created by a webmaster, by some student that types the pagescontent as his part-time job, by a cleaning lady, by an uneducated administrative worker that does not know anything about the basketball from the other side of Atlantic Ocean? Pantagana (talk) 15:45, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

"Are we going to change our page every few months depending on the webmaster who cropped the countryname so the name can fit in the table cell?" Yes. FIBA is a reliable source in this regard. This has always been my position on the matter (follow FIBA). If we don't follow them, then we're making things up. AFAIK, the guys at FIBA must be on the east side of the Atlantic (as FIBA is based in Switzerland) so we better leave them stupid Americans out of this. –HTD 15:57, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Hello, Howard. Thank You for the quick reply. You're right, FIBA's seat is located in Switzerland, not in USA. Switzerland is prominent basketball country ;) I agree with You that we must follow FIBA, because of reliability of sources and avoiding of making things up. But the source should not be contradictive, as it did with here (two different claims about trophy succession), but transparent and firm. And after all, that still does not answer the question about succession of former Yugoslavia, Soviet Union etc. Who fullfills those tables and lists? Where is the official decision about that? Who signed it? Where and when it was discussed? Do You have any information about that? That would be very helpful. Pantagana (talk) 14:07, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Well it really is simple. It doesn't matter who in FIBA makes them, what matters is FIBA is the one that publishes them. We'd follow whatever is their latest stand on the matter, although it's acceptable if there's a line about the history on how FIBA recognizes on what modern country "gets" the old records of the countries that no longer exist.
If you noticed, my stand on this issue is to accept whatever FIBA releases without question. Before FIBA didn't allocate the Yugoslavia/SCG records to Serbia, so that was my position. Now they allocated those to Serbia, then we'd follow them. –HTD 14:14, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Look at this page on FIBA: [1] Vilmos Loczi, player of Yugoslavia national basketball team. The flag is completely wrong! Actually, that flag was forbidden in Yugoslavia in 1955. Pantagana (talk) 14:29, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

That means FIBA allocated SFR Yugoslavia's records to FR Yugoslavia. Can you check on Soviet players? As for Soviet players, they supposedly use a Soviet flag (FIBA doesn't have one), and not the Russian flag. –HTD 14:34, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Sergej Tarakanov - Soviet Union, not Russia. Toni Kukoč, Dražen Petrović, the key players of Yugoslavia and of independent Croatia, have Croatian flag. Jurij Zdovc, Slovenian player, one of key players of Yugoslavia and of independent Slovenia through a dekade 1991-2001, has the flag of FR Yugoslavia (Serbia-Montenegro), although he never played for them. That is why I say that FIBA is inconsistent with statistics. Pantagana (talk) 14:48, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

I'm guessing here, those which had played for Yugoslavia and SCG but not CRO, SLO, MKD and BIH get the Serbia and Montenegro flag. Those who had played for those 4 countries but never for Yugoslavia/SCG get their respective countries' flags. And after all, we're listing teams here, not countries. I thought we were talking about the medal table, now we're into players? FIBA has been inconsistent, but we'd follow on what they're using now. We have to be consistent with FIBA's inconsistency. –HTD 14:55, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
Err, Zdovc played for Yugoslavia and for Slovenia, not for FRY/SCG, Emir Mutapčić played for Yugoslavia and for BiH, not for FRY/SCG, but despite that, they got the the FRY/SCG Serbia and Montenegro flag on FIBA's pages.
Let's return to original topic - the medal table. Discussion led us into the players' matter. Anyway medal table 1950-1998 (World Championships), medal's table 1950-2006 - these two show separately the results of Yugoslavia and FRY/Serbia-Montenegro, this one [2] shows them together.
It's OK to be consistent with FIBA, not to make things up, but who is making those pages? What's their source? We have to find out.
This looks like... as if someone thinks that SFR Yugoslavia and FR Yugoslavia is a simple namechange of the same country (such case was with DF Yugoslavia -> FNR Yugoslavia -> SFR Yugoslavia) - a completely wrong opinion.
Therefore, I propose to be more statistically correct and use FIBA's stats that respect different states medal table 1950-1998 medal's table 1950-2006 . We will not make any mistake that way, we will not make things up. We will simply be more precise that way. Pantagana (talk) 15:25, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
medal table 1950-1998 medal's table 1950-2006 are the old ones that were superseded by the new reference that is being used now. medal's table 1950-2006 in particular was used in this article for a long time before the new table appeared. Also if we'd be using the 1950-2006 table as a reference, the results of the 2010 championship shouldn't be there, otherwise, that's WP:OR. It can be mentioned though how FIBA previously allocated which modern country gets the records of a former country, if ever.
Now as for "It's OK to be consistent with FIBA, not to make things up, but who is making those pages? What's their source? We have to find out." That's not our problem anymore. –HTD 15:33, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
I'm very interested to see how someone get the idea to put FRY/SCG as the sole successor of ex-Yugoslav medals. Unless he or she thought that SFR Yugoslavia -> FR Yugoslavia was a simple namechange.
The ex-Yugoslavia began winning the medals in 1961, but the true regular harvest began with World Championship 1970, when Croatian clubs already regularly began to win the championships. Since then, Croatian clubs won 12 championships, Serbian 6, Bosnian 3. Pictures gets more sharper if we add the administratively taken title from Croatian club Šibenka, from non-sport bodies and if we count the leagues before play-offs: Cibona two times won the league, but lost in the play-off (Zadar and Partizan won). Partizan once won the championship, Cibona won the play-off. With that, you got 14 championships to Croatia, 5 to Serbia, 2 to Bosnia-Herzegovina.
The importance of non-Serbian players is without any doubt. They were not the sidekicks, but the main players (D. Petrović, Kukoč, Rađa, Ćosić, Đerđa, Komazec, Jerkov, Zdovc, Delibašić, Radovanović...)
Also 1970-1990/91, Croatian clubs won 10 Euro-club titles (Split 5, Cibona 5), Serbia 4 (Partizan 3, C. zvezda 1), Bosnia-Herzegovina 1 (Bosna). Runners-up: Croatia 6 (Split 2, Cibona 2, Šibenka 2), Serbia 6 (C. zvezda 3, Radnički 1, OKK Beograd 1, Partizan 1), Bosnia-Herzegovina 1 (Bosna). In total, club finals: Croatia 16, Serbia 10, Bosnia 2.
Where did the get the idea about Serbia's sole succesorship after all this? Pantagana (talk) 15:51, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
Like I said, it's not Wikipedia's problem anymore. We'd only follow FIBA, so go ask them. This has been a contentious issue before (with Serbians wanting YUG/FRY/SCG medals to go to them), and now that it happened, now apparently Croatians are pissed. –HTD 15:55, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Not only Croatians, but Slovenians, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Montenegro etc. too. I was hoping that you will take some more effort to dig out something new for us :) Pantagana (talk) 17:57, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Don't bitch here. Go bitch at FIBA. We'd only follow them. If we don't follow them, who'd we follow? –HTD 18:04, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Please don't use words like "bitch" when talking to others. I just kindly asked others for more profound searching. I have not deserved that someone tells me "bitch". Pantagana (talk) 21:01, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

I did not refer to you as a "bitch". Re-read the passage again. –HTD 01:39, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

I still don't like when someone is using such verbs when talking to me. Looks rude. How would you feel if someone told you "Don't sh*t here."? Looks bad. Noone wrote that you're a sh*t, but - very wrong verb to use. Now let's get to business. Any news regarding my questions above? (Where is the official decision about that? Who signed it? Where and when it was discussed?) Has anyone investigated? Howard? Bds69? Phil Marlow? Sherlock? Monsieur Poirot? Pantagana (talk) 14:54, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

I apologize if you were in any way offended when I described what could be your (or anyone else's) actions as "bitching".
With that said, I really don't know about how FIBA decides on this. For the longest time, it was separate. Then two years ago, they allocated all of Yugoslavia's results to Serbia. The easiest rule to follow is to follow what FIBA says, since after all, it's their tournament. Their game, their rules. We don't decide in behalf of FIBA which medal goes to what country; it is FIBA that decides for us which medal goes where. –HTD 18:01, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

What happened to the participation chart??[edit]

why is this page locked? who took the participation chart away that was on this page for years??? now you cannot see anymore which nation participated how often.....very sad Stephreef (talk) 16:41, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

It's in a subarticle now.
As for the reason why this is locked, people are STILL insisting on applying Yugoslavia's records to Serbia even if FIBA says otherwise. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 17:13, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Medal Table[edit]

Currently the section is badly presented. The reader is not able to have a clear image of all the countries which has won a medal in the FIBA World Cup throughout history.

There are three different medal tables, with the explanation that they are directly copied from the FIBA website. The fact that some countries like Serbia/Yugoslavia can be presented in different ways justifies the existence of two medal tables. But the third one seems unnecessary.

Furthermore, each one of them has its flaws. The first and second table demonstrate only the top 10 of the countries, while the third one is stuck on 2006.

I request permission to correct the medal tables and update them and delete one of them. Whoever else is eager to do it should feel free to... I'm not talking only about adding tonight's champion, but also about erasing the extra table and having all medal-winning countries listed. And of course about getting over FIBA's out-dated website.

Thank you for reading

vsliatsos 08:47, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

There are issues with all three:
  1. The first one only shows the top 10. But it should be updated once the final is over. Hence that's updated.
  2. The second one would only be stuck up to 2010, and is also just limited to the top 10.
  3. I don't think FIBA would still update this to 2014.
I'd rather keep the first one, but we'd only list the ten best teams. Anything else would be made up. –HTD 12:53, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
I don't agree that adding all medal-winning countries would be original research. The source of the first two tables, both of then official sources from FIBA, shows a medal table limited to the top ten medaling countries but also include all the medal-winning countries for all editions of the World Cup/World Championship. In the first case, FIBA Archive, they show it here. In the second case, the 2014 FIBA Basketball World Cup Media Guide, they show a medal table with only the top ten in page 128, but also show all the medalists through all editions of the event up to 2010 in the page 140. For some reason FIBA chose to crop their table to the top ten even though only 14/15 countries (now we have 15/17 with France and Serbia) have won medals through the history of the competition and that bugs me... And in the only place they finally resolve to make the full table, their history page on their official website, the source for the third table here, it is just outdated, with information only up to 2006, but also takes from nowhere one additional inexistent bronze medal to USA! That bugs me even more... FIBA must be a mess... But continuing, by doing a complete medal table, including Philippines, Croatia, Germany and Lithuania, would be just showing in a form of a table the official information of medal-winning countries published by FIBA itself. Nothing being "made up" here. Also I don't think we have to wait for a "official medal table of FIBA" including the medals of the 2014 edition (by knowing FIBA, something like that should be published in 2019...) to include those results here in the table in the article. We just have all the results, incluiding the 2014 that ends today, all of then from official source, FIBA. We should just plot then in our table here.177.94.146.106 (talk) 13:45, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
I already got rid of the two tables. They'll be oudated after tonight. The FIBA archive website gets to be updated pretty quickly; I think it's automated, TBH. The first link you've shown is a table of the top 3 teams in reverse chronological order, not in the "medal table" format, and someone could argue that any reproduction of the data from that table into a new one might be WP:OR. Now, I suppose we can add the other teams outside the top 10 and I won't personally oppose that.
The reason I'm insisting on this is due to the Yugoslavia case. I want to be sure we're not making up medal tables out of something else. At least with sticking to the FIBA archive, we have something to use as a reference. If we started making up things, Serbs would allocate all of Yugoslavia's medals to Serbia, while Croats and the others want it separated.
I'm interested on how the FIBA archive will list Serbia's medal. I'm almost sure that the FIBA archive lists achievements by IOC code. So "Yugoslavia" isn't just restricted to SFR Yugoslavia as what was previously thought/presented, but FR Yugoslavia as well. I would have wanted to know how they dealt with Serbia and Montenegro, but they haven't medalled. In the EuroBasket medal table in the FIBA archive, Yugoslavia has 8 golds and 5 silvers; Serbia's 2009 silver wasn't counted. The medal table only reaches to the top 10, to Serbia's medal count of 0 golds, 1 silver and 0 bronzes, if it exists, isn't shown. –HTD 14:18, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

I think it's better this way, even though Yugoslavia A and Yugoslavia B (The Federation of Serbia and Montenegro) is not the same. But that's on FIBA to decide how it should be listed. As for the rest of the countries (following the top 10), we' d better create a new page with details.

vsliatsos 20:33, 14 September 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vasarchit (talkcontribs)

I myself don't think appending the other countries not presented in the top ten based on official information of FIBA would be original research. In lists in wikipedia we have cases in that even names of countries are shown here distinctly of that of original source based on common name policy and that is not considered original research. That would be just reorganising official information and showing it in a friendlier way. But I also undertand the issue involving SFR Yugoslavia, FR Yugoslavia, Serbia and Montenegro and Serbia and the need to be quite strict here to try to avoid edit warring between Serbians and citizens of the other countries that emerged from the SFR Yugoslavia, specialy Croatians. I also was interested in how FIBA would act about Serbia and Montenegro medals, since they were exactly the same FR Yugoslavia, just a name change, but with a new IOC code. Unfortunately they didn't medaled during the short period of time they existed under that name. At some point in the past, up to anytime between 2006 and 2010, FIBA had consistently listed medals of SFR Yugoslavia and FR Yugoslavia/Serbia and Montenegro separately, what in my opinion would be the correct approach. And since they are the same, just a name change, if Serbia and Montenegro had won any medal, I think their record should be added and listed together with those of FR Yugoslavia. But at some point in 2010 or after FIBA just changed their approach on the matter and started listing medals of SFR Yugoslavia and FR Yugoslavia/Serbia and Montenegro together under just the name "Yugoslavia" and to worsen it, using sometimes the SFR Yugoslavia flag sometimes the FR yugoslavia/Serbia and Montenegro flag. Just FIBA being FIBA... But now at least (and thank God Serbia managed to win at least a silver medal to appear in top ten!) we know they list Serbia separately from all the predecessor states (for now at least... let's wait and see... ). I think Chile (now droped of top ten by Serbia), Philippines, Croatia, Germany, Lithuania and the newcomer France (congrats) deserve being in a complete table based only in official FIBA information. The full table is quite small, 16 entries. But I'll understand any course of action taken from here on that matter.177.94.146.106 (talk) 00:20, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
Just to add one more source to the medaling countries through FIBA World Cup/World Championship history. On the "FIBA Basketball World Cup history" section of the official website of the event there is all the medalists up to 2010 includind a descripition text for each edition. And since it's the official website of the event with also all the information about the 2014 edition, we have in one single source all the information up to 2014. See it here.
As a testimony of "FIBA ways of doing things", there is one mistake (there must be others...) I and many others found on FIBA Archive. First of all, the bureaucratic part of FIBA is really messed up. And having a history section on their official website with a medal table 8 years outdated and with a "ghost" additional bronze medal for the USA taken from nowhere is just a testimony of that. But I'll talk about another case. Brazil won the 1988 American Olympic Qualifying Tournament for Men in Montevideo, Uruguay. Brazil beat Puerto Rico in the final by 101-92. But, there cames FIBA, for some God only knows why reason FIBA staff upped on FIBA Archive the correct score but just decided that Puerto Rico won the match by 101-92! Seriously! It can be seen here and here. FIBA Archive simply "declared" Puerto Rico the champions of that tournament. Through several years many people sent various e-mails and used every channel of communication available on every FIBA or FIBA Americas websites and as far as I know none ever got a response and the obvious mistake survives intact there on FIBA Archive for years. That even started a discussion on the article of the event here in wikipedia and people had to search for alternative sources including Puerto Rican and Agentine newspapers of the time to settle the matter for the astonishment of the people that, out of good faith, were using the data from FIBA Archive to edit the article. That can be seen in the article page here and specialy on the FIBA Americas Championship talk page here
After that testimony and many more "not so good" experiences with FIBA, I can just imagine the process that brought then to first show records of SFR Yugoslavia and FR yuguslavia separately and later to fuse those records, using flags randomly and so, something Pantagana questioned above. My guess would be something related with chaos theory...177.94.146.106 (talk) 01:23, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
Heh. That FIBA Americas screw-up must've been a clerical error that won't be updated anymore. Haha.
I won't be opposing anyone adding all of the countries outside of the top 10 to the medal table. Just that some person might argue that we're not following the reference. That's all. –HTD 01:46, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
Also, I think SCG would be a separate country if they ever won a medal. The archive uses IOC codes to sort out things. Check out the "national teams" section. FIBA also followed that up with the media guide for the 2014 championship, with the identical table, save for using Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, they used Federal Republic of Yugoslavia. If anyone noticed, when the media guide medal table was up, I used the flag with the red star on it to follow the reference. –HTD 01:46, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
What impress me more on that case is that it's not a mistake hard to be seen. On the contrary, it's quite easy. The problem is those alleged "contact us" or "report an error" sections are just for show. They are actually inexistent and no one seems to read what is sent through those supposedly channels of communication with the general audience. Or even worse, they read it and just ignore it.
As for the complete medal table I was in doubt if I should add the remaining medalist to try to avoid fueling Serbians and Croatians on their "cruzade" in this article. If I was to do it I would waited some time since the 2014 World Cup just ended. But that seems like a pointless thinking of mine. Just looking at the history of the article and that ruge ammount of vandalism and edit warring over the SFRY/FRY/SCG/Serbia issue. They just completely ignore sources and any explanation. Whatever, another editor just added the missing countries and the post 2014 final game vandalism spurt seems to have calmed down.
About an SCG and if they had won a medal, I was expressing what I think should have been done. But what FIBA would have done is probably what you said. And I said "probably" and not "for sure" just because we can never rule out any outcome coming from FIBA. Don't forget the "chaos factor" around their "decisions". Haha.177.94.146.106 (talk) 00:37, 16 September 2014 (UTC)