Talk:Folk music of Ireland

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Organisation of content of this and related pages[edit]

This article inorporates almost all of the material rating to Irish folk music, that used to be present in "Music of Ireland". The idea is to create the equivalent of the article "Folk music of England" and to allow the "Music of Ireland" a new chance to be return to the status of "good article". Ogg (talk) 10:13, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

OK. There is definitely a value in having the "traditional Irish music" content separated from the more general "Irish music" (which might include "Irish pop music", "Irish classical music", etc). However, the name of this article (though equivalent to the corresponding English article) is possibly not ideal. Per Wikipedia:COMMONNAME, we should use the "most common name of a person or thing" when naming articles. Unfortunately the name of this article isn't ideal. In short, the VAST majority of people in Ireland (locals and visitors) would never refer to "folk music" in this way. It's always "Traditional music", "Trad music" or some variant. (Not "folk music"). Can we move/rename this article to Irish traditional music? Guliolopez (talk) 17:12, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
I have no strong feelings either way. The problem lies with those singer-songwriters who call themselves "folk singers". Where do they belong? They are not traditional, so they don't belong here. There are not very popular, so they can hardly justify going into pop or rock. Should "Folk music of England" be renamed "Traditional English music"? Ogg (talk) 22:17, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

"Folk music of Ireland" includes ballads and other types of song. This article is about "traditional music", which is a single form of instrumental music, mostly as an accompaniment for dancing. Note that Folk music of England has a heavy emphasis on song. So either the article needs to be expanded to include other forms of folk music, or it needs to be renamed. Scolaire (talk) 09:14, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

From an American point of view the line between folk and tradtional is probably more blury because I don't see a large devide here, first of all lots of good work on the article, secondly, it would probably be good to add info about ballad and song as well if the similarly titled english article addresses it. (also add the roots template to these articles) --Dannygutters (talk · contribs) 04:40, 14 January 2008 (UTC)


      • The improvements are good in early 2008.. but don't go far enough. There is tons more info available, and this and associated articles are set to grow a lot... take a look here

http://phonoarchive.org/grove/Entries/S13901.htm This suggests yet more reorganisation to me. I would suggest breaking article into Folk/Ballads and Trad (instruemental) alongside other forms, like Sean Nos, Portaireacht and so on. We could also take a leaf out of Music history of Portugal ... page is better structured For one, we need to transfer some of the Folk (eg Table with top rock groups in the Folk article e.g. into some other article...). cckkab (talk) 08:13, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

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Contributions by The StoneCrusher[edit]

Yes you know your stuff but this is meant to be an article highlighting the major players. It's not a laundry list of everybody you have heard of or like.

  • Sean Maguire. Fair enough, but you linked into the wrong person's article.
  • Jackie Roach - very minor
  • Joey Flynn - minor
  • Luke O'Malley - minor league
  • Andy Ross Conroy (1911 - 1999). Poorly represented (if at all) on recordings so should not be mentioned here.

The following are significant but should be added to "Celtic music in the United States" rather than here:

  • Randal Bays
  • Joe Derrane (I wrote his article)
  • Marie Reilly Ogg (talk) 07:13, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

I need help !! i read that instruments are used in irish folk since the 18th century, but hat the bodhrán ist used since 1600. what's right now? please give me right information, i really need them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.44.234.251 (talk) 17:48, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Printed Irish folk music dates from the 18th century. Harps existed in Ireland in the 10th century, probably earlier. The music was played, it just wasn't printed. Ensemble playing probably wasn't common until the late nineteenth century. Ogg (talk) 18:31, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Recent addition[edit]

I would suggest that if the new section "Festivals" is to be part of this article, it should be done properly, and not simply mention an obscure German festival simply for advertizing purposes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hohenloh (talkcontribs) 13:08, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Dance?[edit]

Why is there so much stuff about dance? It only clutters up this article. The title is "Folk MUSIC of Ireland". I suggest removing all but a couple of short paragraphs on dance. Put them into their own article.Hohenloh (talk) 23:21, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

There are several Irish dance main articles that contain all the purely dance information currently in this article. Any opinion on removing this redundant non-music information?Hohenloh (talk) 15:54, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Sound/Music samples[edit]

The audio samples by "Dancing Willow" have absolutely nothing to do with traditional irish folk music. They are not representative, I guess that the band wanted to use Wikipedia for self-promotion. I removed them. They should be replaced with real samples like the Harmonica tune. There are quite a few available in the Archive.org audio archives. --79.223.174.3 (talk) 18:09, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

The harmonica sound file posted adds nothing to the article. I suggest the audio samples section be removed. --Justinlwilson (talk) 13:31, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Northern Irish music[edit]

This article is designed to deal with music in the whole of the island, but does not have anything specific on music north of the border. There are obvious reasons why this is the case, as the flutes and drums of Orange Bands have been seen as instruments of oppression by some northern Irish Catholics. However, in a balanced article it should be possible to produce something that covers this important aspect of traditional music on the island without being partisan or offensive. I will try to put something together when I can find time, but I am flagging this up for comment from editors since it may be contentious.--SabreBD (talk) 11:32, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Caoineadh songs[edit]

This is very inaccurate and obviously doesn't cite any references as it's very confused and conflated.

I will rewrite it when I get a chance. Keening and popular laments are very different song forms and have totally different functions. The current section is way off the mark. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Seamasmac (talkcontribs) 10:10, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Sean Keane in Fiddle[edit]

User at 72.37.171.20, if you're reading... I moved your addition of Sean Keane from the "U.S." players paragraph to the "modern" players paragraph, as his page lists him as being born in Dublin. I don't see any reference to his being particularly represntative of a regional style - if you have a reliable source that indicates he is, then we should probably move him there. I also removed "the Master himself", since that description seems like a matter of personal opinion (not that I'm disagreeing with you, but it deviates from Wikipedia's intended neutral tone). Dereksmootz (talk) 21:20, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Musical characteristics[edit]

Nowhere in the page is there any discussion of scales, modes, or other characteristics of the music that distinguish it from other kinds of folk music or common practice. Many summaries are available (eg http://www.firepowr.com/imusic.html) and some of this information should be added to the article. It's all very well to talk about the origins and cultural context of the music, but you could read the entire article without any the wiser as to what it actually sounds like or how you would recognize it as being particularly Irish. 98.248.125.108 (talk) 18:52, 19 February 2014 (UTC)