Talk:Francis Tumblety

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A fact from Francis Tumblety appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 16 February 2010 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the self-proclaimed "Gifted, Eccentric and World Famed Physician" Francis Tumblety sold "Pimple Destroyer"?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2010/February.

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No description matched Tumblety's appearance?[edit]

There was one specifying a height of 5 ft 10, and Tumblety was 5 ft 11", farther, it was said he (the man in the description) had a long moustache, and so did Tumblety.--Cymbelmineer (talk) 00:43, 30 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Andrews[edit]

The purpose of Andrews' visit is not known. He denied going there on the Whitechapel investigation. The source provided does not support the view that Andrews went there to catch Jack the Ripper and the article should not present such speculation as fact when it is both disputed and dubious. DrKiernan (talk) 18:17, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Answer: Andrews is stated as specifically going to New York in pursuit of Tumblety in the well sourced & researched documentary cited. This programme is not a 'dubious source', & its point is reinforced by the rest of the Wiki article text where it states the speculation that was abound in the contemporary American press at the time as to Tumblety being linked to the crimes & supported by the quote in the text from the American authorities stating that they were unable to extradite as the only charges FT was formally sought for in England was the gay tryst & that wasn't enough. The suggestion that The Yard sent Andrews, a top detective with the force, across the Atlantic for any other reason ... or on some other "unknown matter" given these points taken together, is far fetched.

If you want to put a compromise text in giving #1 Source says it's not known what he went for, & #2 The documentary cited says it was a pursuit, & this would appear to be supported by the speculation in the US press & the statement of refusal of extradition by the NY Police without a formal charge of an extraditable nature from Scotland Yard ..... fine with me.

1 more thing, altho I admire yr enthusiasm, if you'll chill out a little in yr editing of this article, & maybe allow others to make the contribution over a day or so & then come in once they've finished, say a couple of days later, it would be a better way of doing business. Whilst doing this edit I've found you leaping in often mid-edit when I was still assembling the different textual points & linking up the structure with you counter-editing, & when I then tried to review where I am I'd lost my thread due to the intrusion .... & it just creates confusion.

Having said that, thx for yr edit of my entries into the source list combining all the individual refs to the tv documentary into 1, I wasn't sure how to do it.

User:Bardrick

Andrews went to North America because he was escorting a suspect to Canada for trial. The sources are not agreed that he went from Canada to New York in pursuit of Tumblety or that if he did it was in connection with the Ripper investigation. As far as I can see the article already covers the material that can be supported by reliable secondary sources. DrKiernan (talk) 20:00, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Answer: Go check out the documentary, it's available to view on Youtube, it's a good piece of research & exposition in film. After that I'll let you call it as I'm not up for a war over it.

Take it easy (particularly with the alacrity of those supervisory edits!) ; )

User:Bardrick

Letter to Hall Caine[edit]

In Hall Caine's 1997 biography by Allen, appears the transcript of a letter Tumblety wrote to Caine, dated 28th January 1875, in which the word 'feminine' was used. Allen describes it as a 'strange remark'.^[1] Riordan's 2009 biography of Tumblety suggests that the word 'feminine', which many interpreted as a reference to a homosexual relationship, was transcribed incorrectly. In the context of the sentence the word he suggested is 'genuine'.^[2] Bram Stoker's 2012 biography by Stoker contains a fresh transcript of the same letter and the word 'feminine' has been replaced by 'genuine'.^[3] 81.110.218.31 (talk) 09:01, 30 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Allen, Vivien (1997). Hall Caine: Portrait of a Victorian Romancer. Shefield: Sheffield Academic Press. p. 38. ISBN 978-1850758099.
^ Riordan, Timothy B. (2009). Prince of Quacks: The Notorious Life of Dr. Francis Tumblety, Charlatan and Jack the Ripper Suspect. McFarland & Company, Inc., Publishers. p. 148. ISBN 978-0-7864-4433-5.
^ Storey, Neil R. (2012). The Dracula Secrets. Stroud, Gloucestershire: The History Press. p. 144. ISBN 978-0752480480.

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[1] Allen, Vivien (1997). Hall Caine: Portrait of a Victorian Romancer. Shefield: Sheffield Academic Press. p. 38. ISBN 978-1850758099.

[2] Riordan, Timothy B. (2009). Prince of Quacks: The Notorious Life of Dr. Francis Tumblety, Charlatan and Jack the Ripper Suspect. McFarland & Company, Inc., Publishers. p. 148. ISBN 978-0-7864-4433-5.

[3] Storey, Neil R. (2012). The Dracula Secrets. Stroud, Gloucestershire: The History Press. p. 144. ISBN 978-0752480480.

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