Talk:International Style (architecture)
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- 2 Edit this city
- 3 Fair use rationale for Image:S Weissenhofb.jpg
- 4 International style (architecture) International Style
- 5 Image copyright problem with Image:S Weissenhof.jpg
- 6 Use of capitals for subject title 'International Style' (architecture)
- 7 Lists and Le Corbusier
- 8 Requested move 2
- 9 Gropius and "International Style"
- 10 Changing the tone of the article
I'm not sure exactly how "International style" is used in English, but, according to my Swedish language sources, the term was originally used for functionalist architecture during the 20s and 30s, but today instead refers to the architecture that spread internationally after WW2 and became the dominant style during the period 1950-70.
So, if this applies to the English language as well, this article should deal with Le Corbusiers buildings in Marseille and India; Niemeyers in Brasilia; the UN HQ, etc. The information present in the article now should then be moved to Functionalism (architecture).
Note: In a Swedish context, within the field of history of architecture, "funktionalism" refers to a style in architecture in Sweden during the 30s and only during that period. Swedes in general, on the other hand, tends to call whatever they intepret as "modern architecture" "funktionalism" or, in everyday usage, just "funkis".
/ Mats Halldin 14:25, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
Edit this city
I can't possibly edit this article! Modern design -- stemming from the vaguely idealistic Mies and Co. and breeding like pod people all the way down to the direct insult of Ikea -- is chiefly responsible for the miserable, unlivable cities we of the 21st Century have inherited from the 20th.
I can't edit this article; but you can, perhaps. And if you're thinking it might be entirely within our guidelines to balance the tolerant worship of this page with a little criticism from respected sources (you'll find a great deal of it), then I won't revert it. John Reid 11:59, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
- Seconded. The logical fallacy of form follows function is an example of where this type of architecture goes horribly wrong --Cnadolski 04:05, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
Fair use rationale for Image:S Weissenhofb.jpg
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Use of capitals for subject title 'International Style' (architecture)
I'm surprised that the previous discussion of this topic resulted in the outcome: 'no consensus to move'(to capitalising the 's' in 'style').
The main objector to changing to the capitalisation could only, in the end, ask for any example of the use of the capitalisation in the literature in defence of his/her position. In fact, there is almost complete consensus in the literature about capitalising the 's'. Try Taschen, for instance; try your rival Britannica; try almost any Google of the subject, or any Google of any book on the subject.
As a point of grammar: the word 'style' is a part of the name of the architectural movement - hence International Style. The movement is not named 'International', and as the word 'style' is a part of the movement's actual name, it is, as had been stated in the previous discussion, a proper noun AND a title (and proper nouns and titles are capitalised in the grammar). If there is no consensus on this it is only because some of those debating the issue do not know their English grammar. The title, therefore, should read 'International Style', and as long as Wikipedia do not use the capitalisation it is in error. Hughes Hall (talk) 10:44, 21 January 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hughes Hall (talk • contribs) 19:11, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
Lists and Le Corbusier
In my edit earlier I sought to put the lists in rational order (alphabetical or chronological as appropriate). I opted for Le Corbusier under "L" on the basis that that in toto was his chosen name, rather than "Corbusier". But if there is a consensus for "C", please revert - I will not complain!
I have a few architectural books that refer to Le Corbusier in their indexes, listing him under 'L' only. e.g 'Le Corbusier Tragic View of Architecture' by Charles Jencks. Fine book, by the way. Hughes Hall (talk) 08:54, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
Requested move 2
Gropius and "International Style"
This article, Introduction, para 2, last sentence: "Previous uses of the term in the same context can be attributed to Walter Gropius in Internationale Architektur, and Ludwig Hilberseimer in Internationale neue Baukunst." - cited to Panayotis Tournikiotis, "The Historiography of Modern Architecture".
But according to his wife, quoted in the British periodical 'Design' in 1974, Gropius did not "use the term in the same context", and this should not be attributed to him:
"Ise Gropius attacks ‘stylists’
Ise Gropius attacked the way in which the so called ‘international style’ became part of the language of modern architecture and design in a lecture delivered while she was in Britain last month. In doing so she made some penetrating criticisms of the attitudes of both Philip Johnson and Russel Hitchcock. She said, ‘This terrible misnomer was invented by Philip Johnson and Russel Hitchcock after they visited the Bauhaus in Dessau as very young men. They found that the School had published a book by Gropius called “International Architecture” which was a far cry from “International Style”. ‘It only showed’, Mrs Gropius continued, ‘international examples of contemporary architecture by people with the most diverse design principles. All that united them was an honest approach to the solution of contemporary building problems and Gropius had meant to help their efforts with this publication. He had no idea that this would be distorted into a “style” idea which he had always opposed." Design, issue 304, April 1974, p18, News Ed. Conn Hughes Stanton, published by the Design Council, London.
I would suggest that this reference be removed, or, at the very least, qualified by the addition of this sentence : "(although his wife stated that Gropius did not use use the term in this context, and was personally opposed to such a concept)", with a citation to the above. Robocon1 (talk) 14:44, 2 December 2013 (UTC) I agree - they have been removed; but most importantly, the references used in support of the claim were incorrect.--TTKK (talk) 13:42, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
Changing the tone of the article
I had noted some excellent points above about the tone of this article. The term "International Style" can be traced to a specific event, an exhibition in 1935. The term "international style" is little used these days, and often a pejorative sense. The style of architecture referred to is more often called simply 'modernist architecture', though also often 'functionalism'. I have re-written the first half of the article to give more emphasis to the original source of the term, the exhibition and book, including the buildings featured in them. With the exception of the section on Israel, I feel the sections that follow, on Europe, North American and elsewhere, are quite basic, at best.--TTKK (talk) 13:42, 8 April 2014 (UTC)