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WikiProject Architecture is located in Western Los Angeles
WikiProject Architecture
Location in Western Los Angeles
WikiProject Architecture is located in Los Angeles Metropolitan Area
WikiProject Architecture
Location in Los Angeles
WikiProject Architecture is located in California Southern
WikiProject Architecture
Location in Southern California
WikiProject Architecture is located in California
WikiProject Architecture
Location in California
WikiProject Architecture is located in USA
WikiProject Architecture
Location in the United States
Location in Western Los Angeles (left) and in Los Angeles (right)
Usa edcp location map.svg

FYI: Since a request was made that this be discussed broadly, for the record, I have contacted WP:TOURISM, WP:HOTEL, WP:CE, WP:HSITES and WP:NRHP and pointed them here.

Because of Dr. Blofeld's involvement in getting maps incorporated into a lot of templates including {{Infobox settlement}}, I queried him about augmenting {{Infobox building}} to include multipin map options. He pointed out {{Infobox settlement}} as an example and recommended that I talk to a couple of people including Frietjes about making the necessary changes and Frietjes has encouraged pursuit of consensus to any major changes to such a widely used template. Prior to yesterday, Broadway Hollywood Building looked like this with a single map. Frietjes nested another template within the main {{Infobox building}} in order to add a second template. Frietjes also pointed out that there are at least five relevant zoom levels for this location (see scroll bar on right).

Looking at an article like Chicago with three maps working together to provide cartographic content, I think that Infobox building needs three maps: a map for the local people (people familiar with the local area) who would benefit from a street level map, a map of the city for people less familiar with the city and then either a state or national map. Something at least like the three maps at the left with the pins added is what I am seeking approval for as an optionality where the maps are available (mostly big cities). An argument could be made that there is a significant amount of additional cartographic content by adding the Southern California map right above the US map and I would support that option too.

I believe that in order to make it polished the side-by-side image will have to be the same height. I don't know if images can be presented by height or if widths can be adjusted algebraically based on relative aspect ratios. Also, the template may have to be flexible for more remote locations where only one level of zoomed in map is available and for the many existing articles during the interim time that it will take to convert to multiple maps.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:52, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

P.S. I am not sure how the buildings that use {{Infobox NRHP}} should be handled, but there may need to be an additional consideration for them.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:10, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
New functionality: click on a map, it zooms, like Google Maps. You can use all maps, and the user can click to get the next zoom level of interest. - Denimadept (talk) 21:14, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
Are you requesting that functionality or alerting me to its existance?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:16, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
I'm unaware of its existence, so I'm suggesting it. It could be simulated with a slow animated GIF, I suppose. - Denimadept (talk) 21:25, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
By the way, please do not use "*" to indent on a talk page. The normal method is one ":" for each level of indent. - Denimadept (talk) 21:27, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
That is an interesting option to consider. I am not sure what is feasible. I await feedback.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:42, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
Either something better than is being proposed above should be feasible, or we should stick with one map. The infobox is supposed to include only the most relevant information about the article subject, not all information. Readers also almost always have the option to click on the coordinates and look up the subject on a range of zoomable interactive up-to-date maps. I think the French wiki's solution (example - click on the links below the map) is also preferable to squeezing in multiple maps at the same time in the infobox. --ELEKHHT 01:41, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
I like the French wiki solution as well. It would also avoid the aspect ratio issue. I also think it would make us free to include all five maps in this example case.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:08, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
Frietjes, is the French wiki's solution (example) feasible? Can you copy that code?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:37, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
Denimadept, are you watching this? Did you see the French wiki solution suggestion?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:37, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
I just took a look at the French WP's option. Yes, that's pretty good. Do we want to do this, or just pick a zoom map level and maybe put the clickable coords right below it, or make the image itself clickable to zoom out to another level? I think the explicit links method is better, as it's clear up-front, rather than expecting the user to try clicking on something which hasn't really been clickable before. - Denimadept (talk) 02:43, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
Denimadept, Dear Lord, what are all the options you are talking about. I think you said something to the effect of yes this is good. Do we want to do this or two other things that we probably shouldn't do. Yes this is better than the two other things we probably shouldn't do.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:24, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
Yup, I just keep coming up with ideas! :-D - Denimadept (talk) 05:34, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Frietjes, where are you. We have Elekhh, Denimadept and myself all interested in the same change that is in place on the FR wiki. Is the change feasible for the ENG wiki?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:06, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
    • to make this possible you will need changes made to the core javascript used on the site (search for img_toogle in fr:MediaWiki:Common.js) and probably changes made to {{location map}} (at least to do it in a clean way). I would suggest asking Jackmcbarn and Edokter. basically, you would want (1) the location map to know its parent, and then (2) have a button to change the location map to the parent (as it is in Gare de Lille-Flandres). you could potentially do this with changes to the core javascript and to {{infobox building}}, but you would really want this feature to be available to all location maps, which is why I would say you would want changes to {{location map}}. good luck. Frietjes (talk) 13:19, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
      • I think that making this a blanket feature for all location maps would be a bad idea. No changes to Module:Location map should be required for this. Instead, we should make a template that works like {{JS toggle|first map code|second map code}}. That also makes it more generic and usable in places other than maps. Jackmcbarn (talk) 15:03, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
@TonyTheTiger: @Dr. Blofeld: @Frietjes: I've set up a demo of this at User:Jackmcbarn/switcher. If it looks good, I'll request that it be set up for all users. Jackmcbarn (talk) 15:50, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
It looks good. Will we be able to control the width in an infobox? What will the default width be?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:44, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
P.S. Denimadept and Elekhh should also comment.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:47, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
Okay, TonyTheTiger. I've taken a look. That's not bad, but now that you've got me thinking about it that way, here's what I suggest: start with the image of the USA. As a person mouses over it, zoom in to the more specific maps. I've seen this somewhere... oh yes, Flickr when an image is geocoded. It switches from a way-zoomed-out image to a very specific one. See my image for an example. You'll see that if you mouse over the map below the image, you'll get the behavior I'm thinking of. - Denimadept (talk) 21:55, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
@TonyTheTiger: My code is completely content-agnostic. It'll be the same width as whatever you put inside it. @Denimadept: That would require a substantial rewrite in how location maps work. I agree that's a good idea, and I've been wanting to do something like that for a while, but I think it's outside the scope of this project. Jackmcbarn (talk) 01:02, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
I think it'd have wide appeal, Jackmcbarn. And a bot could swap the templates, perhaps. - Denimadept (talk) 01:38, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
@Denimadept: What's "it" refer to there? Jackmcbarn (talk) 01:43, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
Jackmcbarn, y'know, the topic here: this modification to location maps. - Denimadept (talk) 02:12, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
@Denimadept: I meant, are you talking about the thing I wrote a demo of, or the zooming idea you mentioned that I said is separate? Jackmcbarn (talk) 02:21, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
@Jackmcbarn: I guess I'm unclear about what you're trying to do. What you posted looked like an image with some links below it. Clicking the links changed the image. Is that what you were trying to do? What I'm saying is that I want it to be automatic, without the links. - Denimadept (talk) 08:52, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
Denimadept, I don't understand your complaint. We basically all agreed that we wanted him to replicate the French WP and he has done so masterfully. Now, you are asking him to do something else? There isn't much reason to complain.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:47, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
@Denimadept: For this project, the links are all I'm trying to do. In the future, I may try to implement your other idea, but not now. Jackmcbarn (talk) 14:27, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
okay. - Denimadept (talk) 08:35, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Jackmcbarn, so as not to be abstract, please clarify what the width you are using is in terms of px. It looks like about 120px or something.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:55, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
    @TonyTheTiger: The 100px width is just what I happened to pick for the demo. The switcher code itself doesn't set or use a width at all, so it will be as wide as whatever you put inside of it. Jackmcbarn (talk) 14:27, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
    Jackmcbarn, So what we are seeing is 100px, but when we see it in an infobox it will be the standard size of the infobox. However, don't some infoboxes just use the given size. Why don't you change your example to 200 or 220px?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:36, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
    @TonyTheTiger: Yes check.svg Done Jackmcbarn (talk) 23:00, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
    Jackmcbarn, In the show all mode, why is one of them not expanding to the same width as the others?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:50, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
    @TonyTheTiger: Template:Location map USA California always displays at 3/4 normal width, since it contains "| defaultscale = 0.75". If this would be undesirable, it could be fixed by passing a width parameter to that location map call. Note that all of this is relevant to the map only, and is entirely unrelated to the switcher. Jackmcbarn (talk) 23:55, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
    Jackmcbarn, We are attempting to present an example of what thousands of articles may eventually look like. Why don't you make whatever adjustment is necessary so our presentation looks good.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:38, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
    @TonyTheTiger: I've made the change, but I'm not really convinced that this way is "better". Jackmcbarn (talk) 00:48, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
    I was saying we should put our best foot forward. I am not saying it is way better than our other foot.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:52, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
I've posted at MediaWiki talk:Common.js#Proposal to add a switcher. Jackmcbarn (talk) 15:03, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
Discussion has moved to Wikipedia talk:Gadget#Switcher gadget. Jackmcbarn (talk) 17:07, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
@TonyTheTiger, Dr. Blofeld, Frietjes, Elekhh: This is now live here, although no articles are currently set up to use it. User:Jackmcbarn now has good documentation on how it can be set up on articles. Tony and Elekhh: please remove the importScript line from your common.js files now that this is a gadget. Jackmcbarn (talk) 02:28, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
Jackmcbarn, Live here where? Could you fix Broadway Hollywood Building as an example?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:23, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
@TonyTheTiger: I think 5 may be a bit much, so I just activated it for the 2 that were already there. More can be added by adding another # sign and their name to the map type line, as you can see at User:Jackmcbarn/switcher#Infobox building. Also, can you remove the line to load the script from your common.js? Jackmcbarn (talk) 22:46, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
Jackmcbarn, We need to discuss what the norm will be since I have a lot of articles to convert. I would prefer to add all 5 and do a similar thing for Chicago Buildings.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:33, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
@Dr. Blofeld, Frietjes, Elekhh, Jackmcbarn: Can we discuss whether we are going to actually use the new capacity of the template. I asked Jackmcbarn to add it at Broadway Hollywood Building as an example and he opted to only show 2 of the 5 maps. I think we should allow the reader to see all 5 and make their choice. I think we should come to an agreement on this however.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:52, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
I guess using all 5 would be fine. I just wasn't totally sure about it then. Jackmcbarn (talk) 04:55, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
Could you add all 5 to that building and do all the maps for two Chicago buildings for me (Marshall Field and Company Building and Gerald Ratner Athletics Center).--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:25, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
@TonyTheTiger: Yes check.svg Done Jackmcbarn (talk) 03:26, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
Jackmcbarn, The Marshall Field and Company Building has the same problem that we had with the Broadway Hollywood Building. The Loop map and the Chicago map are being conflated into one option.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 09:39, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
@TonyTheTiger: That one is now fixed as well. Since very few things used maps' names prior to this, most map authors weren't very careful about choosing an appropriate name, but luckily, it's a rather easy fix. Jackmcbarn (talk) 21:02, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
Jackmcbarn, The Marshall Field and Company Building should also have the greater Chicago map that Gerald Ratner Athletics Center uses as its Chicago map. Also, I don't think either map is really a Chicago Map. I.e. the MFaCB Chicago map does not include all of Chicago. I don't even think that the GRAC is on that map. The GRAC map of Chicago is a greater Chicago map. We need another map like File:US-IL-Chicago-CA.png or File:Map of the Community Areas and 'Sides' of the City of Chicago.svg for just Chicago. Is either of those maps eligible for use in this system?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:35, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── @TonyTheTiger: I added the GRAC map to the MFC article. I also updated Template:Location map United States Chicago Greater to use the name "Greater Chicago". What name do you suggest that Template:Location map United States Chicago should have? Also, regarding the maps you suggested, they can't be used with the location map system because they don't specify the details of their projection. For an example of what is required, see File:USA Illinois location map.svg (used by Template:Location map USA Illinois). It specifies that it is an equirectangular projection as well as what its boundaries are. You can go to Wikipedia:Graphics Lab/Map workshop and request a location map image of a given area, though. Jackmcbarn (talk) 18:47, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Jackmcbarn, Request is in at Wikipedia:Graphics_Lab/Map_workshop#Chicago_location_map.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:32, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
Does anyone know how long the Wikipedia:Graphics_Lab/Map_workshop map request might take.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:02, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Luis Vidal + Architects[edit]

I'm wondering whether we could have an article about Luis Vidal + Architects, the firm who did London Heathrow Terminal 2 – The Queen's Terminal. From their website, it seems they've done a fair number of large projects (airports, hospitals, museums, etc.) so I think they are likely notable. However, I'm not an expert in architecture so I thought I'd ask here first.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 09:44, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

More than likely, given the scope and prominence of the project. I'm not exactly confident in my abilities yet, and I understand this is late, but the firm was founded in 2004 and its one of the biggest in Spain now. Luis Vidal + architects: From Process to Results is the book that I would think be necessary to complete the article. And I could probably order it. I'm stuck doing state-side articles for now though. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 21:47, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Architecture/Assessment descriptions[edit]

I don't know when (or if) this issue was last raised, but I find the project assessment criteria for architects a little confusing, if not suspect. All architects on Wikipedia are "noteworthy", so I'm unsure why we give "noteworthy" architects a "high" importance on the quality scale. I'd suggest the wording is amended so that:
"Very important buildings and architects" are of "high" importance.
"Interesting buildings/architects and architectural elements" are of "mid" importance.
"Other buildings, lesser-known architects and narrow topics" are of "low" importance.

What do other people think? Or is there some logical rationale to the existing assessment instructions that I'm missing? Sionk (talk) 23:24, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

@Sionk: Sorry for the late reply as I missed this previously. I agree that "noteworthy" is not appropriate for describing high-importance and should be removed. But I find "interesting" for mid-importance also vague and subjective. I would suggest correlating the four importance categories (top, high, mid, low) with the geographic (global, continental, regional, local) and temporal extent (entire human history, particular historic period, century, decade) of their importance. --ELEKHHT 23:31, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

World Heritage Earthen Architecture Programme[edit]

This stub needs growth, though notable in sources, but a more basic question; where is en.wp's earthen architecture article? In ictu oculi (talk) 04:38, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

Intelligent city/Smart city etc.[edit]

There's an informal discussion about possible merger of Intelligent city/Smart city at Talk:Intelligent city if anyone has any expertise and/or views on the subject. Sionk (talk) 14:24, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Jeff Davis House[edit]

Please see this. Thanks. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:20, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

Stripped Classicism[edit]

We are working on this article, and it is soon to be a WP:DYK. We need your help. 7&6=thirteen () 02:29, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Zoltan Pali[edit]

Hello. I have just created a page about Zoltan Pali, an architect from the LA area. I am hopinng some of you at WP Architecture will be able to help me expand it. Please feel free to do so. Additionally, in time we may be able to take a few pictures of his designs (especially the Wallis Annenberg Center for the Performing Arts). Feel free to comment on my talkpage if you have any further suggestions. Thank you.Zigzig20s (talk) 01:45, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

Input requested[edit]

For anyone interested, please give your input at Talk:Lincoln Memorial regarding the number and size of images in the article. Thanks. APK whisper in my ear 05:52, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

WPA School design[edit]

There's a particular school design that I've come to associate with the Works Progress Administration. One variant of it can be seen here. The middle school I attended is here, and a similar one in Providence is here Does anybody know more about it? Is this a particular design, or just a particular architectural style? Thanks. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 12:59, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

White House[edit]

There's a discussion taking place at Talk:White House regarding the infobox image. Any input would be appreciated. Thanks. APK whisper in my ear 00:18, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

Red Gate[edit]

I have suggested that this article be renamed, and the background material split off into a general article on Russian memorial gates. For the two separate discussions, see Talk:Red Gate (These ate two separate discussions, neither of which depend on the result of the other, if participating in both discussions, please leave the appropriate opinion in the appropriate section) -- (talk) 06:22, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Categories for Discussion[edit]

Project members and contributors here may have an opinion on Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015_January 11#Category:British architecture. Sionk (talk) 12:06, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

WikiProject X is live![edit]

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Hello everyone!

You may have received a message from me earlier asking you to comment on my WikiProject X proposal. The good news is that WikiProject X is now live! In our first phase, we are focusing on research. At this time, we are looking for people to share their experiences with WikiProjects: good, bad, or neutral. We are also looking for WikiProjects that may be interested in trying out new tools and layouts that will make participating easier and projects easier to maintain. If you or your WikiProject are interested, check us out! Note that this is an opt-in program; no WikiProject will be required to change anything against its wishes. Please let me know if you have any questions. Thank you!

Note: To receive additional notifications about WikiProject X on this talk page, please add this page to Wikipedia:WikiProject X/Newsletter. Otherwise, this will be the last notification sent about WikiProject X.

Harej (talk) 16:56, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Please do NOT add this page to the "newsletter" page. If we want to see his newsletter, we'll watch for it there. - Denimadept (talk) 21:34, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Useful sources[edit]

I edit and create alot of architecture related content and wondered if anyone knows good source (website, database etc) on this subject. I use emporis but that is not always in-depth enough. Can anyone help me thanks. Wrightie99 (talk) 22:43, 21 January 2015 (UTC)