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Template:Infobox building maps[edit]

WikiProject Architecture is located in Western Los Angeles
WikiProject Architecture
Location in Western Los Angeles
WikiProject Architecture is located in Los Angeles Metropolitan Area
WikiProject Architecture
Location in Los Angeles
WikiProject Architecture is located in California Southern
WikiProject Architecture
Location in Southern California
WikiProject Architecture is located in California
WikiProject Architecture
Location in California
WikiProject Architecture is located in USA
WikiProject Architecture
Location in the United States
Location in Western Los Angeles (left) and in Los Angeles (right)
Usa edcp location map.svg

FYI: Since a request was made that this be discussed broadly, for the record, I have contacted WP:TOURISM, WP:HOTEL, WP:CE, WP:HSITES and WP:NRHP and pointed them here.

Because of Dr. Blofeld's involvement in getting maps incorporated into a lot of templates including {{Infobox settlement}}, I queried him about augmenting {{Infobox building}} to include multipin map options. He pointed out {{Infobox settlement}} as an example and recommended that I talk to a couple of people including Frietjes about making the necessary changes and Frietjes has encouraged pursuit of consensus to any major changes to such a widely used template. Prior to yesterday, Broadway Hollywood Building looked like this with a single map. Frietjes nested another template within the main {{Infobox building}} in order to add a second template. Frietjes also pointed out that there are at least five relevant zoom levels for this location (see scroll bar on right).

Looking at an article like Chicago with three maps working together to provide cartographic content, I think that Infobox building needs three maps: a map for the local people (people familiar with the local area) who would benefit from a street level map, a map of the city for people less familiar with the city and then either a state or national map. Something at least like the three maps at the left with the pins added is what I am seeking approval for as an optionality where the maps are available (mostly big cities). An argument could be made that there is a significant amount of additional cartographic content by adding the Southern California map right above the US map and I would support that option too.

I believe that in order to make it polished the side-by-side image will have to be the same height. I don't know if images can be presented by height or if widths can be adjusted algebraically based on relative aspect ratios. Also, the template may have to be flexible for more remote locations where only one level of zoomed in map is available and for the many existing articles during the interim time that it will take to convert to multiple maps.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:52, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

P.S. I am not sure how the buildings that use {{Infobox NRHP}} should be handled, but there may need to be an additional consideration for them.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:10, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
New functionality: click on a map, it zooms, like Google Maps. You can use all maps, and the user can click to get the next zoom level of interest. - Denimadept (talk) 21:14, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
Are you requesting that functionality or alerting me to its existance?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:16, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
I'm unaware of its existence, so I'm suggesting it. It could be simulated with a slow animated GIF, I suppose. - Denimadept (talk) 21:25, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
By the way, please do not use "*" to indent on a talk page. The normal method is one ":" for each level of indent. - Denimadept (talk) 21:27, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
That is an interesting option to consider. I am not sure what is feasible. I await feedback.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:42, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
Either something better than is being proposed above should be feasible, or we should stick with one map. The infobox is supposed to include only the most relevant information about the article subject, not all information. Readers also almost always have the option to click on the coordinates and look up the subject on a range of zoomable interactive up-to-date maps. I think the French wiki's solution (example - click on the links below the map) is also preferable to squeezing in multiple maps at the same time in the infobox. --ELEKHHT 01:41, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
I like the French wiki solution as well. It would also avoid the aspect ratio issue. I also think it would make us free to include all five maps in this example case.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:08, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
Frietjes, is the French wiki's solution (example) feasible? Can you copy that code?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:37, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
Denimadept, are you watching this? Did you see the French wiki solution suggestion?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:37, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
I just took a look at the French WP's option. Yes, that's pretty good. Do we want to do this, or just pick a zoom map level and maybe put the clickable coords right below it, or make the image itself clickable to zoom out to another level? I think the explicit links method is better, as it's clear up-front, rather than expecting the user to try clicking on something which hasn't really been clickable before. - Denimadept (talk) 02:43, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
Denimadept, Dear Lord, what are all the options you are talking about. I think you said something to the effect of yes this is good. Do we want to do this or two other things that we probably shouldn't do. Yes this is better than the two other things we probably shouldn't do.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:24, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
Yup, I just keep coming up with ideas! :-D - Denimadept (talk) 05:34, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Frietjes, where are you. We have Elekhh, Denimadept and myself all interested in the same change that is in place on the FR wiki. Is the change feasible for the ENG wiki?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:06, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
    • to make this possible you will need changes made to the core javascript used on the site (search for img_toogle in fr:MediaWiki:Common.js) and probably changes made to {{location map}} (at least to do it in a clean way). I would suggest asking Jackmcbarn and Edokter. basically, you would want (1) the location map to know its parent, and then (2) have a button to change the location map to the parent (as it is in Gare de Lille-Flandres). you could potentially do this with changes to the core javascript and to {{infobox building}}, but you would really want this feature to be available to all location maps, which is why I would say you would want changes to {{location map}}. good luck. Frietjes (talk) 13:19, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
      • I think that making this a blanket feature for all location maps would be a bad idea. No changes to Module:Location map should be required for this. Instead, we should make a template that works like {{JS toggle|first map code|second map code}}. That also makes it more generic and usable in places other than maps. Jackmcbarn (talk) 15:03, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
@TonyTheTiger: @Dr. Blofeld: @Frietjes: I've set up a demo of this at User:Jackmcbarn/switcher. If it looks good, I'll request that it be set up for all users. Jackmcbarn (talk) 15:50, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
It looks good. Will we be able to control the width in an infobox? What will the default width be?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:44, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
P.S. Denimadept and Elekhh should also comment.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:47, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
Okay, TonyTheTiger. I've taken a look. That's not bad, but now that you've got me thinking about it that way, here's what I suggest: start with the image of the USA. As a person mouses over it, zoom in to the more specific maps. I've seen this somewhere... oh yes, Flickr when an image is geocoded. It switches from a way-zoomed-out image to a very specific one. See my image for an example. You'll see that if you mouse over the map below the image, you'll get the behavior I'm thinking of. - Denimadept (talk) 21:55, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
@TonyTheTiger: My code is completely content-agnostic. It'll be the same width as whatever you put inside it. @Denimadept: That would require a substantial rewrite in how location maps work. I agree that's a good idea, and I've been wanting to do something like that for a while, but I think it's outside the scope of this project. Jackmcbarn (talk) 01:02, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
I think it'd have wide appeal, Jackmcbarn. And a bot could swap the templates, perhaps. - Denimadept (talk) 01:38, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
@Denimadept: What's "it" refer to there? Jackmcbarn (talk) 01:43, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
Jackmcbarn, y'know, the topic here: this modification to location maps. - Denimadept (talk) 02:12, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
@Denimadept: I meant, are you talking about the thing I wrote a demo of, or the zooming idea you mentioned that I said is separate? Jackmcbarn (talk) 02:21, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
@Jackmcbarn: I guess I'm unclear about what you're trying to do. What you posted looked like an image with some links below it. Clicking the links changed the image. Is that what you were trying to do? What I'm saying is that I want it to be automatic, without the links. - Denimadept (talk) 08:52, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
Denimadept, I don't understand your complaint. We basically all agreed that we wanted him to replicate the French WP and he has done so masterfully. Now, you are asking him to do something else? There isn't much reason to complain.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:47, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
@Denimadept: For this project, the links are all I'm trying to do. In the future, I may try to implement your other idea, but not now. Jackmcbarn (talk) 14:27, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
okay. - Denimadept (talk) 08:35, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Jackmcbarn, so as not to be abstract, please clarify what the width you are using is in terms of px. It looks like about 120px or something.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:55, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
    @TonyTheTiger: The 100px width is just what I happened to pick for the demo. The switcher code itself doesn't set or use a width at all, so it will be as wide as whatever you put inside of it. Jackmcbarn (talk) 14:27, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
    Jackmcbarn, So what we are seeing is 100px, but when we see it in an infobox it will be the standard size of the infobox. However, don't some infoboxes just use the given size. Why don't you change your example to 200 or 220px?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:36, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
    @TonyTheTiger: Yes check.svg Done Jackmcbarn (talk) 23:00, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
    Jackmcbarn, In the show all mode, why is one of them not expanding to the same width as the others?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:50, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
    @TonyTheTiger: Template:Location map USA California always displays at 3/4 normal width, since it contains "| defaultscale = 0.75". If this would be undesirable, it could be fixed by passing a width parameter to that location map call. Note that all of this is relevant to the map only, and is entirely unrelated to the switcher. Jackmcbarn (talk) 23:55, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
    Jackmcbarn, We are attempting to present an example of what thousands of articles may eventually look like. Why don't you make whatever adjustment is necessary so our presentation looks good.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:38, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
    @TonyTheTiger: I've made the change, but I'm not really convinced that this way is "better". Jackmcbarn (talk) 00:48, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
    I was saying we should put our best foot forward. I am not saying it is way better than our other foot.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:52, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
I've posted at MediaWiki talk:Common.js#Proposal to add a switcher. Jackmcbarn (talk) 15:03, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
Discussion has moved to Wikipedia talk:Gadget#Switcher gadget. Jackmcbarn (talk) 17:07, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
@TonyTheTiger, Dr. Blofeld, Frietjes, Elekhh: This is now live here, although no articles are currently set up to use it. User:Jackmcbarn now has good documentation on how it can be set up on articles. Tony and Elekhh: please remove the importScript line from your common.js files now that this is a gadget. Jackmcbarn (talk) 02:28, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
Jackmcbarn, Live here where? Could you fix Broadway Hollywood Building as an example?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:23, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
@TonyTheTiger: I think 5 may be a bit much, so I just activated it for the 2 that were already there. More can be added by adding another # sign and their name to the map type line, as you can see at User:Jackmcbarn/switcher#Infobox building. Also, can you remove the line to load the script from your common.js? Jackmcbarn (talk) 22:46, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
Jackmcbarn, We need to discuss what the norm will be since I have a lot of articles to convert. I would prefer to add all 5 and do a similar thing for Chicago Buildings.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:33, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
@Dr. Blofeld, Frietjes, Elekhh, Jackmcbarn: Can we discuss whether we are going to actually use the new capacity of the template. I asked Jackmcbarn to add it at Broadway Hollywood Building as an example and he opted to only show 2 of the 5 maps. I think we should allow the reader to see all 5 and make their choice. I think we should come to an agreement on this however.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:52, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
I guess using all 5 would be fine. I just wasn't totally sure about it then. Jackmcbarn (talk) 04:55, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
Could you add all 5 to that building and do all the maps for two Chicago buildings for me (Marshall Field and Company Building and Gerald Ratner Athletics Center).--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:25, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
@TonyTheTiger: Yes check.svg Done Jackmcbarn (talk) 03:26, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
Jackmcbarn, The Marshall Field and Company Building has the same problem that we had with the Broadway Hollywood Building. The Loop map and the Chicago map are being conflated into one option.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 09:39, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
@TonyTheTiger: That one is now fixed as well. Since very few things used maps' names prior to this, most map authors weren't very careful about choosing an appropriate name, but luckily, it's a rather easy fix. Jackmcbarn (talk) 21:02, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
Jackmcbarn, The Marshall Field and Company Building should also have the greater Chicago map that Gerald Ratner Athletics Center uses as its Chicago map. Also, I don't think either map is really a Chicago Map. I.e. the MFaCB Chicago map does not include all of Chicago. I don't even think that the GRAC is on that map. The GRAC map of Chicago is a greater Chicago map. We need another map like File:US-IL-Chicago-CA.png or File:Map of the Community Areas and 'Sides' of the City of Chicago.svg for just Chicago. Is either of those maps eligible for use in this system?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:35, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── @TonyTheTiger: I added the GRAC map to the MFC article. I also updated Template:Location map United States Chicago Greater to use the name "Greater Chicago". What name do you suggest that Template:Location map United States Chicago should have? Also, regarding the maps you suggested, they can't be used with the location map system because they don't specify the details of their projection. For an example of what is required, see File:USA Illinois location map.svg (used by Template:Location map USA Illinois). It specifies that it is an equirectangular projection as well as what its boundaries are. You can go to Wikipedia:Graphics Lab/Map workshop and request a location map image of a given area, though. Jackmcbarn (talk) 18:47, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Jackmcbarn, Request is in at Wikipedia:Graphics_Lab/Map_workshop#Chicago_location_map.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:32, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
Does anyone know how long the Wikipedia:Graphics_Lab/Map_workshop map request might take.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:02, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Creating new voice for Beyond Media Festival. International festival of architecture video held in Florence from 1997 to 2009[edit]

I am evaluating the possibility of creating a new entry for this important festival held in Florence from 1997 to 2009. I'd translate the entry i wrote for the italian version of Wikipedia which is not yet online. Do you think it would meet the requirements of notability Wikipedia? Could it be included Architecture WikiProject? If yes in which category?

Thanks to everybody.

- Link to the festival website: http://www.beyondmedia.it/index.php?pg=1

--Chiarensal (talk) 09:34, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Monuments of Spain Challenge[edit]

Wikimedia España invites you to join the Monuments of Spain Challenge. And what’s that? It’s a contest. You have to edit, translate or expand articles about the Spanish monuments and you will be granted points. So you’re not just writing about wonderful buildings: you can get prizes!

The time of the contest will include all October and any information you may need is right here.

Join in and good luck!

B25es on behalf of Wikimedia España. — Preceding unsigned comment added by B25es (talkcontribs) 04:50, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Luis Vidal + Architects[edit]

I'm wondering whether we could have an article about Luis Vidal + Architects, the firm who did London Heathrow Terminal 2 – The Queen's Terminal. From their website, it seems they've done a fair number of large projects (airports, hospitals, museums, etc.) so I think they are likely notable. However, I'm not an expert in architecture so I thought I'd ask here first.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 09:44, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

More than likely, given the scope and prominence of the project. I'm not exactly confident in my abilities yet, and I understand this is late, but the firm was founded in 2004 and its one of the biggest in Spain now. Luis Vidal + architects: From Process to Results is the book that I would think be necessary to complete the article. And I could probably order it. I'm stuck doing state-side articles for now though. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 21:47, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Comment on the WikiProject X proposal[edit]

Hello there! As you may already know, most WikiProjects here on Wikipedia struggle to stay active after they've been founded. I believe there is a lot of potential for WikiProjects to facilitate collaboration across subject areas, so I have submitted a grant proposal with the Wikimedia Foundation for the "WikiProject X" project. WikiProject X will study what makes WikiProjects succeed in retaining editors and then design a prototype WikiProject system that will recruit contributors to WikiProjects and help them run effectively. Please review the proposal here and leave feedback. If you have any questions, you can ask on the proposal page or leave a message on my talk page. Thank you for your time! (Also, sorry about the posting mistake earlier. If someone already moved my message to the talk page, feel free to remove this posting.) Harej (talk) 22:47, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Merger proposal[edit]

I propose that Pagaruyung Palace be merged into Pagaruyung Kingdom, i.e. this one. I think that the content in the Pagaruyung Palace article can easily be explained in the context of Pagaruyung Kingdom, and the Pagaruyung Kingdom article is of a reasonable size that the merging of Pagaruyung Palace will not cause any problems as far as article size or undue weight is concerned. There already is considerable overlap and duplication. John of Cromer (talk) mytime= Wed 21:27, wikitime= 13:27, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Window structure along roof ridge of old industrial building[edit]

Is there a more proper term for what I've referred to here as a "skylight structure along roof ridge"? - Jmabel | Talk 01:16, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Seems to be a monitor (architecture) --ELEKHHT 01:59, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
Perfect! And needing a photo. Thanks! - Jmabel | Talk 17:30, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

45° window at corner of Queen Anne house[edit]

Any similar help on a term for the 45° window at corner of Queen Anne house here? - Jmabel | Talk 17:30, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Maybe bay window? FireflySixtySeven (talk) 17:51, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
No, definitely not a bay window. A bay window juts out from a house. This is a 45° window cut in at a corner. - Jmabel | Talk 23:32, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
It can be seen as part of a bay window (but not an Oriel window), and that's possibly what the historical society's description seems to refer to as an 1896-1909 addition. The other way to see it is simply as a chamfered corner with a window in it. Quite an interesting building and nice pictures btw. --ELEKHHT 02:47, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
It does project out from the house (wrt the adjacent wall at the same level). I too first thought it was a chamfered edge with a window in it, but the interior 45° window (the one on the right side in this picture) is not at a corner where two walls meet, so bay window seemed more appropriate. FireflySixtySeven (talk) 06:15, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
I see, so you'd consider the whole three-window structure as a single bay? So it would presumably be a bay where the floor continues throghout the bay on the inside, rather than being partway up & providing a seat. - Jmabel | Talk 15:52, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
Cant(ed) corner window, which is a bit of a mouthful, but describes it. Giano (talk) 16:35, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
Sorry; looking again at the whole composition, that is definitely a single canted bay window. Giano (talk) 16:39, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
I agree with Giano on this. A lot of Queen Anne bays left the center portion unfenestrated to allow a large piece of furniture, such as a hutch, or a sideboard with a framed picture, to take the place of the central window. Acroterion (talk) 16:44, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
Thanks! "Canted" is the word I should have thought of but didn't. - Jmabel | Talk 16:06, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
My pleasure. You have to be a fan of the Baroque to have 'canted' at your fingertips. Giano (talk) 07:30, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Architecture/Assessment descriptions[edit]

I don't know when (or if) this issue was last raised, but I find the project assessment criteria for architects a little confusing, if not suspect. All architects on Wikipedia are "noteworthy", so I'm unsure why we give "noteworthy" architects a "high" importance on the quality scale. I'd suggest the wording is amended so that:
"Very important buildings and architects" are of "high" importance.
"Interesting buildings/architects and architectural elements" are of "mid" importance.
"Other buildings, lesser-known architects and narrow topics" are of "low" importance.

What do other people think? Or is there some logical rationale to the existing assessment instructions that I'm missing? Sionk (talk) 23:24, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

@Sionk: Sorry for the late reply as I missed this previously. I agree that "noteworthy" is not appropriate for describing high-importance and should be removed. But I find "interesting" for mid-importance also vague and subjective. I would suggest correlating the four importance categories (top, high, mid, low) with the geographic (global, continental, regional, local) and temporal extent (entire human history, particular historic period, century, decade) of their importance. --ELEKHHT 23:31, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

One of your project's articles has been featured[edit]

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Hello,
Please note that Ice hotel, which is within this project's scope, has been selected as one of Today's articles for improvement. The article was scheduled to appear on Wikipedia's Community portal in the "Today's articles for improvement" section for one week, beginning today. Everyone is encouraged to collaborate to improve the article. Thanks, and happy editing!
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FLRC List of tallest buildings in Miami[edit]

Just a notification of this:

Wikipedia:Featured list removal candidates/List of tallest buildings in Miami/archive1

B137 (talk) 20:19, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

World Heritage Earthen Architecture Programme[edit]

This stub needs growth, though notable in sources, but a more basic question; where is en.wp's earthen architecture article? In ictu oculi (talk) 04:38, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

Intelligent city/Smart city etc.[edit]

There's an informal discussion about possible merger of Intelligent city/Smart city at Talk:Intelligent city if anyone has any expertise and/or views on the subject. Sionk (talk) 14:24, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Jeff Davis House[edit]

Please see this. Thanks. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:20, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

Stripped Classicism[edit]

We are working on this article, and it is soon to be a WP:DYK. We need your help. 7&6=thirteen () 02:29, 8 December 2014 (UTC)