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"Egyptian Islamic Fundamentalists"[edit]

It is claimed in the "Controversy" section that complaints were made by "Egyptian Islamic fundamentalists". This is not reliably sourced (the citation is to an unsourced opinion piece) and the news sources I've read make no mention of their nationality nor describe them as fundamentalists. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.122.93.147 (talk) 03:55, 6 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It's just some stupid sockpuppet trying to claim that the anime was made by terrorists. Don't worry 'bout it. ⌤TheMitochondriaBoi⌤(Wanna talk?)(Contributions)(My stats) 20:27, 15 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Adapted names should take lesser precedence than the actual names[edit]

I don't know who changed all the names to the All Star Battle versions (stuff like Killer Queen -> Deadly Queen or Gold Experience -> Golden wind). But if they're not reverted soon, I'm going to fix them myself and add a note at the end of each character paragraph stating the name change. Whatever trademark damage control is in effect for official stuff brought out in English doesn't take priority on a place like wikipedia. You are not "protecting" Araki and Lucky Land by doing this. 198.53.171.148 (talk) 05:02, 8 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Someone has unilaterally decided to make this change and it will be reverted shortly.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 09:09, 8 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Completely agreed. These names do not belong here and are purely for CR's protection to begin with.Linkdude20102011 (talk) 22:28, 2 April 2016 (UTC) JojokeGodFunhand (talk) 04:12, 18 November 2018 (UTC)WREYYYY!) It is stupid because copyright is stupid.JojokeGodFunhand (talk) 04:12, 18 November 2018 (UTC)[1][reply]

References

  1. ^ https://soundcloud.com/xavier-walko

Date dispute and WP:Verifiability[edit]

There has been a bit if a dispute as to Weekly Shōnen Jump 1987 No. 1-2 was published, I must remind the other editors of Wikipedia's policy of verifiability in that all content is determined by previously published information rather than the beliefs or experiences of its editors. Even if an editor is sure something is true, it must be verifiable before it can be added or changed. When I checked the publication date of this issue in the Media Arts Database punished by the Agency for Cultural Affairs, which is part of the Japanese Ministry of Education, Culture, Sports, Science and Technology,[1] I could only verify January 1, 1987 as the publication date. If other editors want to dispute this date, then they need to present reliable sources that are of equal or higher authority than the one published by a Japanese government agency. So far, when I asked an IP editors for the sources of the December date, they could only provide links to fansites and other Wikipedia article. —Farix (t | c) 18:09, 18 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This seems to be the same discussion that began Talk:Dragon_Ball#publication, where it was about using cover dates given in the actual Weekly Shonen Jump issue in question or supposed "sale dates" which are only given in the previous issue. The January 1, 1987 date comes from the cover of the series' debut issue as seen at File:Weekly Shōnen Jump 1987 issue 1-2.jpg, so I assume December 2, 1986 is the sale date. It seems the Agency for Cultural Affairs uses cover dates. As I passingly suggested in the Dragon Ball discussion, WP:A&M should talk and determine which one to use if both dates can be reliably sourced, or simply in order to have a preference listed at Template:Infobox animanga. Xfansd (talk) 18:57, 18 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Based on the the time stamps, that discussion took place around or before WP:A&M learned about the Media Arts Database and subsequently added it to WP:A&M/ORS.[2] We are still learning more about what is covered in their database. I don't think anyone knew it covered individual issues of magazines until I looked up JoJo's Bizarre Adventure on the off chance that it may have the original start date. I was only expecting the collected volumes to be listed but otherwise not provide any incite on the publication date. But not only I was presently surprised that the magazine appearances were listed, but that there were separate entries on each magazine issue as well. This is a huge resource to mine in the future.
BTW, I don't have a good opinion of one particular participant in that discussion you linked to, especially after he claimed that ANN's encyclopedia and MyAnimeList, both user generated "wikis", are reliable sources. You can probably guess which participant that was. —Farix (t | c) 19:42, 18 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Viz licensing only the first four parts[edit]

I've noticed that on the main template about the series that there is a comment that Viz has only licensed the first four parts of the series. However the statement has not been cited, and leaves me wondering how accurate that statement is. Is there anyone who can cite a source that confirms that statement, because otherwise I think it's only speculation at this point.

Normaschthewanderer (talk) 23:53, 21 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Probably it is based on these news but they haven't said anything about Part 5 onwards as far as I heard.Tintor2 (talk) 01:35, 22 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Musical References[edit]

Within the JoJo's Bizarre Adventure series, especially the Stardust Crusaders section, Araki makes frequent references to real-life musicians and fashion designers See ref.. Enclosed below is a table that I have created based on my research of the series. I am seeking comments on whether this information (possibly expanded with other contributions) should be included within the main article.Funhand's note:The list is in Merging Dio Brando. Wikipedia must fix this glich.

Character Original name Type
Jean Pierre Polnareff Michel Polnareff Musician
Iggy Iggy Pop Musician
Holly Kujo Buddy Holly Musician
Roses Guns N' Roses Musical Group
Enya Enya Musician
Devo the Cursed Devo Musical Group
Rubber Soul Rubber Soul by the Beatles Musical Album
Midler Bette Midler Singer
Wired Beck Jeff Beck album Wired Musician
D'Arby Terrence Trent D’arby Musician
N'Doul Youssou N'Dour Musician
Vanilla Ice Vanilla Ice Musician
Captain Tennille Captain and Tennille Musical Group
Zeppeli Led Zeppelin Musical Group
Robert E.O. Speedwagon REO Speedwagon Musical Group
Plant, Page, etc Zombies Led Zeppelin Musical Group
Kars The Cars Musical Group
Esidesi AC/DC Musical Group
Manish Boy Manish Boy by Muddy Waters Song Title
Aja Stone Aja by Steely Dan Musical Album
Michael, Prince, Lionel - Avdol’s Father’s chickens Michael Jackson, Prince, Lionel Ritchie Musicians
Gold Experience The Gold Experience by Prince Song Title
Crazy Diamond Shine on You Crazy Diamond by Pink Floyd Song Title
Steely Dan Steely Dan Musician
Doggystyle Doggystyle by meme king Snoop Dogg Musical Album
Arrowsmith Arrowsmith Musical Group
The Hand The Band Musical Group

Seeking your feedback. Ozflashman (talk) 05:01, 26 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

A straight-up list of musical references like that is inappropriate for an encyclopedic article. Individual references can be included in each character's entry in List of JoJo's Bizarre Adventure characters assuming they are backed up by a reliable source - regardless of how obvious it might seem to us, because we don't allow original research on Wikipedia. It's also fair to include a few (sourced) examples in the Production sections, like I did with Zeppeli/Led Zeppelin and Dio/God in Phantom Blood#Creation of characters.--Alexandra IDVtalk 11:19, 26 February 2018 (UTC) JojokeGodFunhand (talk) 04:19, 3 November 2018 (UTC) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXWY2lgM-_0[reply]

Series color codes[edit]

NOTE: Section by —Ryūlóng (琉竜) 04:04, 25 January 2015 (UTC) moved and updated from Talk:JoJo's Bizarre Adventure (2012 TV series) Ozflashman (talk) 23:01, 27 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed series color scheme by Ryūlóng (琉竜) for manga and anime in 2015:

  • #F05030 Phantom Blood
  • #DA70D6 Battle Tendency
  • #1E90FF Stardust Crusaders
  • #32CD32 Diamond Is Unbreakable
  • #FFD700 Golden Wind
  • #FF7F50 Stone Ocean
  • #40E0D0 Steel Ball Run
  • #FFA500 JoJolion

This is a work in progress. Over the next week, I propose to check if this color scheme has been implemented, whether it has been applied consistently, and/or needs to be revised. Ozflashman (talk) 23:01, 27 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Ozflashman: I don't see the need for colors wouldn't that be more necessary for the anime? I mean the manga is black and white.Tintor2 (talk) 23:14, 27 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I just transferred the article from Talk:JoJo's Bizarre Adventure (2012 TV series) to here, because this is a more appropriate location - not making any judgments yet. You're right, the color scheme applies more to the anime series, but I think it's worth reviewing all of the articles for consistency. Ozflashman (talk) 06:35, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Tintor2 There's a colored version of the manga btw XD 47A74 (talk) 17:50, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Ozflashman: I'm assuming that these colours are being used in table cells to differentiate series from one another? I also tweaked the text colours for some of the highlights. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:58, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Additional references[edit]

Found a Japan Times article on the Quran controversy http://web.archive.org/web/20081222071711/http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20080523a1.html WhisperToMe (talk) 16:25, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Wikis[edit]

--99.199.42.245 (talk) 00:55, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

We don't list wikis here because they are pretty much fansites and can't be considered reliable due to the way they are edited. Yeah, just like Wikipedia but that doesn't make Wikipedia a reliable source either.Tintor2 (talk) 11:37, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 21 May 2020[edit]

Under Phantom Blood in Plot, the year should be changed to 1888 because the entire series but the first and last episodes, which take place in 1880 and 1889 respectively, as already said on Wikipedia here. If 1888 is too specific, it should at least be 1880s. 47A74 (talk) 02:49, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Wikipedia cannot be used as a source. Interstellarity (talk) 14:19, 23 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of the "Supernatural powers" section[edit]

Hi Goszei. Thanks for rewriting the article. In regards to the "Supernatural powers" section, could you consider possibly bringing back the mentions of Hamon and Stands? They cross multiple parts. It doesn't need to go into much detail as before, but they definitely make up a major portion of the series. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:18, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Tenryuu, thank you for noticing that. I think they should be mentioned as well; I have currently slotted them in the plot descriotions of Phantom Blood and Stardust Crusaders, but feel free to rewrite to expand/better position the info. (I plan to keep refining this article/possibly take to GA, so maybe I will find a better solution). — Goszei (talk) 00:31, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

GOCE copyedit request[edit]

Great work! A few of my questions are weight-related.

  • In late 19th-century England, the young Jonathan Joestar meets his new adopted brother Dio Brando, who only seeks to usurp him as heir to the Joestar family. Is that the only thing he does? I recall him trying to go beyond taking Jonathan's place and torment him like when he cooked Danny.
I think that pretty much everything Dio does at the Joestar manor works towards his end of usurping Jonathan (including the torment). I think a word should be placed in that sentence to demonstrate his one-tracked ambition.
 Done. I'm loathe to do this (as it's not a very neutral word) but I used the word "loathe" to give readers the point that Dio would do anything to one-up Jonathan.
  • With Italian Hamon master Will A. Zeppeli and former street thug Robert E.O. Speedwagon at his side, Jonathan uses his new affinity for Hamon to stop Dio, who has tormented him his whole life and whose sights are set on nothing less than world domination. Sounds a bit too cliffhanger-y, if you will. Perhaps we can remove the "tormented him his whole life" segment and say something more along the lines of "[...] to stop Dio, who has made world domination his new goal".
I agree with the cliffhanger point, and support your proposal.
 Done.
  • Under the pressure of poisons implanted in Joseph's body [...] I'm not sure if that much due weight needs to be given to Joseph being poisoned. It serves as a motivator for him to do harsh training, but the Red Stone of Aja should probably be given all (if not most) of the weight.
I am ambivalent about this change, but lean towards removal.
 Done. I've deleted it for now.
  • He learns that the phenomenon has run through his family due to a newly resurfaced Dio Brando, who has fused his head to Jonathan's headless body. Just double-checking, Jotaro learns this and not Joseph?
Joseph+Avdol are the ones that know this, and teach this to Jotaro.
 Done. Switched the first "he" to Jotaro.
  • In their travels, they gain allies in the French swordsman Jean Pierre Polnareff, who wishes to avenge his sister's death, and the Boston Terrier Iggy, who begrudgingly accompanies the group on the way to Cairo to permanently defeat Dio. Boldly edited. Sounded a little too dramatic, so it's been toned down. What do you think?
Was too dramatic before. Your change is a welcome one.
 Done.
  • Giorno joins Bruno Bucciarati's squad within Passione [...] This conundrum again. I can never remember if it's Bucciarati or Buccellati. The Jojo wiki says that it's Bucciarati, but that Buccellati is used in Araki's Manga Tech and it's the name of the food he's based off of.
List of JoJo's Bizarre Adventure characters and Golden Wind (manga) use Bucciarati; I think we should be consistent. I know that the DP anime went with "Bucciarati"; I believe that previous official sources (artbooks, figures) have sometimes used "Buccellati", though that was in addition to other weird romanizations like "Blono" as his first name.
 Done. Leaving as Bucciarati.
  • To retrieve her father's Stand, Jolyne allies with fellow inmate Ermes Costello, who has also had a Stand awoken in her, the boy Emporio Alniño, fellow inmates Narciso Anasui and Weather Report, and the sentient Stand-using plankton colony “Foo Fighters” to save her father and stop Pucci before he uses his Stand to recreate the universe in Dio's image. Edited some of this. I'm thinking of bunching up Anasui, Ermes, and Weather Report so that it flows better; Ermes' parenthetical thought doesn't seem important to the overall plot of Stone Ocean.
I think they can be safely bunched up, as per your proposal.
 Done. Rewrote the sentence.
  • He did not want it to be a tournament affair, which was popular in Weekly Shōnen Jump at the time, and therefore decided to make Part 3 a "road movie" inspired by Around the World in Eighty Days. Emphasis in original. This was in the 90s?
Must be after the trilogy decision and before the manga's serialization, so after 1986 and before 1989.
checkmark Done by requester.
You accidentally (?) removed this sentence during your Copyedit 1.5; I have added it back with a slight unrelated tweak. I think the reference to the 1980's shortly before makes clear the WSJ period we are talking about.
trout Self-trout. Thanks for that.
  • The store was opened from July 28 to September 30, and contained exclusive goods with the Owson name. It reverted after September 30, right?
One of the Japanese sources attached to the Owson announcement says it was "for a limited time from July 28th to September 30th." Sounds like it was reverted.
 Done. No problems here!
  • Joseph ultimately teams up with Caesar Zeppeli, Will's grandson, and Caesar's teacher Lisa Lisa, who is mysteriously tied to Joseph. I don't think the word "ultimately" is needed: Joseph doesn't ally himself with anyone else while fighting (save Stroheim, and that was when they were having their final showdown with Kars).
I agree with this change; though I think it should be replaced with something about Joseph travelling to Rome (to orient the reader).
 Partly done. Essentially swapped out "ultimately" with "heads to Rome". Does that work?
I approve. — Goszei (talk) 18:51, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done.
Something I noticed: is "Caesar Zeppeli, Will's grandson," ambiguous? "Will's grandson" could potentially be interpreted as a third person.
 Fixed by putting the parenthetical thought into actual parentheses.
I approve. — Goszei (talk) 18:51, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 And done.
  • For JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, Araki wanted to use a classical method as a base and then introduce modern elements in the singular. Emphasis in original. What does "singular" mean in this context?
Hmm. I read that as "introducing individual modern elements" to the "classical base". There are many better ways to express this idea, though.
 Partly done. I've currently re-written the sentence as Araki wanted to use a classical method as a base before introducing modern elements individually. Is it important to note that the elements are added one at a time?
No, it is not important. I am not quite sure what the author of that sentence meant by it; I think the meaning "Araki used a classical base, then added modern elements" would be the correct one. — Goszei (talk) 18:51, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done. Removed "individually".
  • Although their personalities are different, the two share a physical resemblance in order to have some continuity because it was unheard of at the time for a main character to die in a Weekly Shōnen Jump series. Emphasis in original. What time was this? The 80s?
Source for that claim says "at the time" as well. Must have been prior to the planning/serialization of Phantom Blood, so before 1986/1987.
 Partly done. Swapped "at the time" with "prior to the 1980s". How's it look?
I have changed this to simply "in the 1980's". He broke the status quo as of the decade itself, so I want to emphasize that. — Goszei (talk) 18:51, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
checkmark Done by requester.
  • Just realised this. The English anime dub (and to the best of my knowledge, the official translated manga) refers to Hamon as the "Ripple". It's a literal translation and wasn't done because of copyright. I'm wondering if {{lang-ja}} should be changed so that the |lit= parameter isn't used.
The Viz JoJonium for Phantom Blood that I have uses "Hamon" instead of Ripple in all cases, and I the subtitles for the DavidPro anime exclusively use "Hamon" as well. That is strange that they chose to use "Ripple" for the dub; I think we should stick with "Hamon", all things considered. — Goszei (talk) 18:51, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done. Left as is.

Looking forward to your responses! —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:05, 12 June 2020 (UTC

@Tenryuu: Excellent work so far! I have left my comments above. — Goszei (talk) 03:25, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Goszei: I've gone through the items and marked most of them as done; a few would like more input on your part. I've also realised I had another question I didn't ask in my first run, so I've marked it with . Looking to hear from you soon. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:02, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Tenryuu: I have left my input above. — Goszei (talk) 18:51, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Goszei: Alright, I think that's everything! If there's nothing else, I'll consider the request complete. Hope this article makes FA! It deserves it. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:07, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Tenryuu: Wonderful work. Thank you for the copyedit! — Goszei (talk) 22:10, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Change to number of chapters[edit]


  • What I think should be changed: In the section about part 8, JoJolion, it says there are 94 chapters, when it is currently at 100, and ongoing
  • Why it should be changed: Incorrect number
  • References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button): https://jojowiki.com/JoJolion 100 chapters, JJL Ch. 1 - Ongoing

Rogue5132 (talk) 01:40, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. - FlightTime (open channel) 01:44, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 18 January 2021[edit]

Kio0i;lnhjl;ijhk (talk) 14:09, 18 January 2021 (UTC) i want to add the singers who sung the intros and what the intros mean as some have deep meaning[reply]
 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. EN-Jungwon 16:32, 18 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 9 April 2021[edit]

"Plot" section states that part 8 has 103 chapters. As of April 9th, 2021, there are 105 chapters. Change 103 to 105. MarcyStardust (talk) 17:37, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Done. Link20XX (talk) 17:42, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 24 May 2021[edit]

In ==Video Games== I would request you add Eyes of Heaven as the most recent title, which had Araki help in it's creation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwGyaRkq8CU. Here is a source unless you need something else. [User:JojoScaryMonsters|JojoScaryMonsters]] (talk) 14:36, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Question: @JojoScaryMonsters:, could you provide a source for that? Link20XX (talk) 14:40, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
YouTube is not a reliable source, going to need something else. Link20XX (talk) 15:07, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Link20XX: That's actually not the case. What WP:YOUTUBE is concerned with is that there are a lot of videos on there that count as copyright violations. Videos could be used if it comes directly from a reliable source's channel; in this case, the channel in question is Bandai Namco, and the claim is given support at 3:01. Using this video would count as a primary source, so its addition should be carefully considered for how appropriate it is to be added; a secondary source would be much better. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:28, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Tenryuu: Thanks for the correction, guess I just saw the "all social media is unreliable" people and took it. Anyway, the edit request has already been declined so this is pointless now. Link20XX (talk) 15:31, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
This article's details on video games in general is more of a summary. @JojoScaryMonsters: If you want to add information about that to List of JoJo's Bizarre Adventure video games, you should be able to. Link20XX (talk) 15:33, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Melmann 15:21, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 17 June 2021[edit]

[1]

Please add the link https://studiostorehouse.com/jojo-tarot-cards/ Manisha Puri (talk) 07:47, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: No need for external link. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:14, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://studiostorehouse.com/jojo-tarot-cards/

Can some one please revert the nine story arcs?[edit]

Jojo lands has not been released yet, so it is in accurate Mystic880 (talk) 18:24, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's been confirmed by ANN news, so I'm not sure what the issue is. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:20, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 5 December 2021[edit]

Add the following paragraph (Along with the source) in between 2nd and 3rd paragraph of the "Production" section.

In creating the manga's generational story, Araki thought much about death and the legacy people leave behind in their lives for their descendants, after the death of his grandfather. He took inspiration from the American television series Roots: The Saga of an American Family, and the novel East of Eden. Roots follows the life of African-American slave Kunta Kinte and his descednants, which while watching Araki began to see as a story of family at heart as opposed to one about slavery and racial discrimination.[1] East of Eden's story centered around the intertwined destiny and rivalry of 2 families, as they pass the torch down to their offspring. He thought highly of stories that could replace its protagonist and still do well. This influneced Araki's decision to ultimately kill Jonathan Joestar and write a generational story as opposed to focusing on a single protagonist, passing on his "Spirit" to his own descendants.[2]

Use the source I provided. The following is for clarity (Do not add it into the article), but the content of the book itself is explained in and cited this TikTok for your convenience and further knowledge if you deem it necessary. https://vm.tiktok.com/TTPdjdpBUS/

To verify this information is accurate, here is a PDF and an Archive link to the full text of the book. You can search pages 102 and 171 to find him talking about the two stories. Feel free to alter the paragraph if it isn't up to standard.

2603:8080:F600:A9BA:EDB1:495F:D4EB:8C6F (talk) 05:50, 5 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

information Note: added reftalk  melecie  t - 05:58, 5 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Araki, Hirohiko (2017). Manga in Theory and Practice: The Craft of Creating Manga. Translated by Collins, Nathan A. Viz Media. p. 171. ISBN 978-1-4215-9407-1.
  2. ^ Araki, Hirohiko (2017). Manga in Theory and Practice: The Craft of Creating Manga. Translated by Collins, Nathan A. Viz Media. p. 102. ISBN 978-1-4215-9407-1.
 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. - FlightTime (open channel) 22:35, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

We have to reach a consensus for this? If the information and sources are legit, I can't see why not.Tintor2 (talk) 00:14, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Tintor2 and FlightTime: Why would I need to establish a consensus if the information is accurate? Is that not the whole point of an edit request, to establish a consensus? 2603:8080:F600:5AD6:D98A:E999:12E3:923E (talk) 21:03, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Take it easy. I'll see if I can put it.Tintor2 (talk) 22:20, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't mean to come off as angry, apologies. 2603:8080:F600:5AD6:D98A:E999:12E3:923E (talk) 23:01, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I trimmed it down, as it started to go off on a tangent and there were copyediting issues. IP editor, edit requests only require consensus if the proposed changes are controversial, which may require evaluating sources to see if they're reliable. For example, this is a tricky one to determine, as the source used is written by the author himself and would be considered a primary source. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 07:32, 15 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

wikilinking stands consensus[edit]

i dont know if there is a consensus on this already but i was browsing through jojolands and non of the stands source names are wikilinked (if they need to be. it would be nice but i have 0 idea if its MOS:OL.) do we have a collective consensus on if it's possible to link to their source band/album/songs?? -Astral~(he/him/his) 21:05, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's not about having a consensus, that kind of info needs to be cited with reliable sources and not just assumed. So unless you are aware of some interviews or something with Araki explicitly confirming he named Stand x after band x, etc., it can't be added per WP:OR. The example I always use is how everyone thought Dio was named after the metal singer or his eponymous band, but we now know his name comes the Italian word for gold. Also, this kind of info should be included in a separate sentence such as "The Zeppeli name is derived from the English rock band Led Zeppelin", and not just by linking the first mention of Zeppeli to the band's article. Xfansd (talk) 21:56, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Dio is the Italian word for god, not gold. In the interview that was bundled into the PS2 Phantom Blood game,[1]: 4:48  he mentions that part of Dio's namesake also comes from the heavy metal singer. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:30, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
wouldnt WP:NOR also allow reliable secondary sources, not just author stated? so, not just citing like, jojowiki, but a news source stating that's where the name comes from? -Astral~(he/him/his) 00:12, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ideally, but interviews are considered WP:PRIMARY. Content shouldn't be directly taken from JojoWiki due to WP:UGC, but its sources should be evaluated to see if they're fit to be considered RSes here. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:15, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
yeah, so we don't *just* need primary sources to cite this all, because i doubt this man has interview confirmed near every stand in this universe, especially in the recent years. i'll work on either finding more interviews or getting a good amount of WP:RS that arent WP:PRIMARY. this helps atleast, to see what all needs to be done so we can somehow wikilink the actual source on the pages. thnx >:3 -Astral~(he/him/his) 00:21, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ JOJO - Special Interview with Hirohiko Araki. (Part 1/3), retrieved 2024-02-26
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