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Political Positions: Include "Support for Sanctuary Cities"

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DETECTIVE DONALD YOUNG, DENVER POLICE DEPARTMENT On May 8, 2005, Det. Young was working at an event hall when he was shot to death in an unprovoked attack by Raul Garcia-Gomez. The Mexican national had already been arrested three times when he murdered Det. Young, but because of Denver’s ‘sanctuary policy’ he was never reported to Immigration and Customs Enforcement. Garcia-Gomez actually worked in a restaurant owned by Denver Mayor Hickenlooper, who has been a longtime champion of sanctuary policies. Det, Young, 43 left behind a wife and three children.

Comment: This is out there, and there's probably some truth to it. This source might not be "reliable", but there probably is a reliable source somewhere that tells a similar story. If it's true that Hickenlooper was/is a supporter of "sanctuary cities" for illegal alien criminals, this information merits inclusion, particularly given the widespread publicity of the murder of Kathryn Steinle by an illegal alien criminals in San Francisco.Jonny Quick (talk) 05:15, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Add some pictures

Perhaps some photo(s) would improve the article. The one at "draft hick" is good. And maybe one of his campaign, or of him on the job. What do you guys think? Editor19841 23:23, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Whatever we use would fall under the Wikipedia:Fair use guidelines, since I doubt there's a freely licensed photo out there. In particular, we'd be better with a publicity photo rather than a commercial AP photo or such, unfortunately I don't see any on his campaign site. — Laura Scudder ☎ 22:09, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

This picture issue is really bothering me. Really, he's the Mayor of city of about 600,000 in population, and we can't find a publicity pic! Has anyone located anything usable? Editor19841 00:37, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

You could always try to get a snapshot of Hickenlooper at some type of public event or when he leaves for work or something. Anything you yourself takes is fair use if you allow it to be. I would help, but I am not currently living in Denver. Vertigo700 21:12, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

I'll take a photo if anyone can find an upcoming free event. Unfortunately the many campaign appearances don't start until May. — Laura Scudder ☎ 22:01, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

I may have found a usable pic: [2]. Under public domain? Usable? Anyone good at uploading? Good enough? Editor19841 00:56, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

From http://www.denvergov.org/jump_site_info_content.asp#Copyright:
While the City and County of Denver provides the information on this server to anyone, we retain copyright on all text, graphic images, and other content. This means that you may not: distribute the text or graphics to others without the express written permission of the City and County of Denver
Unfortunately, even if the city employed the photographer, the works of city employees aren't generally public domain like with federal government employees. The options are to contact the mayor's office, asking permission to release a photo under the GFDL, or to argue it as fair use. — Laura Scudder ☎ 20:57, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
Good work, thanks for the tip. The hunt will continue... Editor19841 00:04, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Arguing fair use is a reasonable option, just one that I personally tend to avoid. My offer still stands to go to any free event where he's appearing after June 6 (I'm out of state at the moment). — Laura Scudder ☎ 00:17, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Whoops, my schedule might have nixed that option. Election day June 3rd means there's probably not a lot of opportunities after then. — Laura Scudder ☎ 00:20, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Hey, if you can get a good pic of him on-site, be my guest. See, my original thinking was that images of the Mayor of Denver would be fair use. You make some good points though. I'm out of state as well right now, but if anyone in-state could get a pic of him, that would work. So, if your interested, Laura, go for it. Best of luck. Editor19841 23:43, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Great pic. Editor19841 01:22, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Homelessness campaign?

Some sources and information would be nice. Ken 20:30, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm providing a link to the homelessness commision today. Editor19841 00:09, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

The link is on the page. Editor19841 00:20, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Scandals?

What relevance to Hickenlooper's political career does this section hold? It appears to be politically motivated, as it's worded as though it's a political advertisement. Does anyone agree with me? If so, I vote to remove the non-related section from the article. Editor19841 00:18, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Seeing as no one seems to disagree with me, I'm reverting it. Editor19841 00:51, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
This section is reinstated, as it's a highly relevant political issue in the city of Denver, and factually correct. Hickenlooper has been widely criticized in Denver for knowingly hiring up to 100 illegal aliens, for directing police bureaus to not enforce immigration laws, and for extending benefits to illegal aliens that are not extended to legal citizens.

Why?

i've read th article and i have noticed, that it is slanted very much in favour of hickenlooper. it is written like it was taken from his personal website; the style of the article is neither objective, nor is it very informative. examples:

Hickenlooper won re-election for the office of Mayor in May 2007 by a staggering 87% of the vote.--wtf?
Hickenlooper announced a sweeping initiative called Greenprint Denver to promote(...) --why 'sweeping'? how is this objective?
(...)created the commission for ending homelessness in Denver, a program seen by many around North America as being a trend setter and example for cities everywhere -- ugh. weasel words, unprecise style galore. many in northamerica also incliudes mexico and canada by the way.. also: unsourced statement.

and why, oh why is the bit about his personal life at the end of this article? any comments?--Nevrdull 10:37, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

I think all articles I've read on Wikipedia have the personal sections at the end of their articles.Robinrobin (talk) 13:00, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

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"Laws Against Dogs"

I deleted this section. It was highly dubious from a neutrality standpoint, and only relates to John Hickenlooper on the grounds that he's the mayor of the city that someone sued. It also seriously misrepresented the appeals court ruling as some sort of victory for the plaintiffs when in fact most of their claims were thrown out, and the remaining claim was remanded by "taking the factual allegations in the complaint as true" allowing as a matter for a trial judge a potentially plausible argument that the government didn't have a compelling interest in banning pit bulls. Janus303 (talk) 03:11, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Garcia-Gomez

I removed the paragraph about Garcia-Gomez. It's entirely irrelevant to the article. The mayor did not hire that individual, he had no control over that individual being hired (or not hired) since his part ownership in the restaurant was held in a blind trust. Janus303 (talk) 16:03, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Wealth, personal assets, and net worth.

The wealth, personal assets, and net worth of Hickenlooper need to be addressed in this article. I looked up the article specifically to find accurate information on this topic because I had heard vague mention that Hickenlooper is extremely wealthy. The article must quantify this. The matter is especially relevant on this day on which Hickenlopper has been poised to order the forcible and violent removal of Occupy Denver / Occupy Wall Street activists who are specifically protesting excessive economic inequality. ---Dagme (talk) 03:49, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Position on Civil Unions and the Special Session

Somewhere in the article, it needs to be mentioned that he supports civil unions (including that he was featured in an ad supporting Ref I and he mentioned it in his 2012 State of the State address. It should also probably be added that he announced that he would call the legislature into a special session after the civil unions bill died in the state house.--Monsuco (talk) 05:45, 10 May 2012 (UTC)


Another thing the article needs is to explain how a fellow interested in public service like Hickenlooper managed to avoid serving in the biggest war of his lifetime, Vietnam. He was of prime age for the draft during his college years, and millions were drafted and sent to Vietnam. The article should contain information of this aspect of his life because it involves historical context and also his attitudes about loving public service. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.49.20.187 (talk) 01:41, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

Gun rights

Signing of the two gun bills should be mentioned in this article, but right now the text is not based on the reference provided. I am deleting the section and suggest we discuss it here before adding it back to the article. --Footwarrior (talk) 04:24, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

More specifically "most restrictive gun laws" needs to be justified by a reliable source as does any comment about the opinion of the Colorado people. --Footwarrior (talk) 04:43, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Agree with Footwarrior. The topic needs to be covered, but well-sourced and in an npov manner. Plazak (talk) 15:20, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
Thirded. The pared down version is better. By the by, I've only been able to find one poll done on this issue, and it does not support the anon's original claims. Laura Scudder | talk 14:24, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
Referenced the article about the signing in yesterday's Denver Post. There were actually 3 bills, the other one imposes a fee to cover the states costs for background checks. --Footwarrior (talk) 20:45, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
Editors keep trying to add info (usually unreferenced and POV) about the Sheriff's Association opposing the bills. Because this is not an article on gun control, or on the specific bills, this info has been repeatedly deleted as not germane to this article. However, such material would be appropriate here if put in the context of the intense controversy pro and con, and hence the strong political pressures put on Hickenlooper. Plazak (talk) 16:50, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
the sheriff's group is a small rural organization of a few dozen people that --it is cited not because it carries any weight in Colorado but because of POV editing. Rjensen (talk) 17:29, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
That is like saying that the state legislature is just an insignificant group of a few hundred people. The Sheriff's Association is is a group of elected officials from across the state whose strong stand presumably reflects views of their (mostly small town) constituencies. Major media outlets such as the Denver Post took their position seriously, and Wikipedia has no reason to do otherwise. Plazak (talk) 17:56, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
No the legislature acts. this group does what exactly with respect to Hickenlooper? Important groups have their own article where their activities are covered, not "coat-racked" onto someone important. Rjensen (talk) 18:04, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
Reverted another IP user change that seemed to be mostly opinion and wasn't supported by the reference. --Footwarrior (talk) 03:44, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

House Bill 1136

I removed this section. The two references were from a comercial site selling anti discrimination posters. I doubt it qualifies as a reliable source under Wikipedia rules. --Footwarrior (talk) 02:45, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Dagnab it!

Confounded keyboard misspelled another word! Somebody has to fix it! Unless he truly confounded the company as well as cofounding it, that is ... Publius3 (talk) 02:28, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

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Article Structure

This article is a bit messy structure wise. Reading from Early Life to Mayor of Denver makes it feel like 15 years of Hickenlooper's life is missing. Separating it into Early Life and Education, Geology and Wynkoop Brewing Company and finally Mayor of Denver while adding in key information will help the article read naturally.Computermichael (talk) 00:47, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

Frackenlooper

Should't there be some mention of his anti-Democratic positions on environmental issues and health? It is well-known that he supports fracking and fossil fuel exploitation, which goes against the Democratic platform to accept responsibility for climate change and damage to our planet and citizens.

Also, under scandals, we should include that he allowed the illegal implementation of toll lanes and a public-private partnership to run it for 50 years on the Boulder Turnpike, US 36. This was done without any public announcement or input. Flight Risk (talk) 23:11, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

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Proposed merge with John Hickenlooper 2020 presidential campaign

This short-lived and barely covered campaign does not need its own page. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:59, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

  • Support - with the exception of a few sentences about his fundraising numbers, the only information about his campaign in this article is 1) his announcement that he's running 2) his announcement that he's ending his campaign. In other words, there's not a single piece of information about the campaign itself. I suggest redirecting the article's title to the subparagraph in his main biographical article.  Vanilla  Wizard  💙 19:53, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Support Was just about to propose this myself. pbp 20:08, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Support Considering the fact that he has withdrawn even before the Iowa caucuses, it makes sense to merge this article with Hickenlooper's biography.Michael E Nolan (talk) 21:42, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Support Media coverage of his campaign was insufficient for a stand-alone page. I agree with Vanilla Wizard that the article's title should be redirected to the relevant subparagraph in the bio article.--A. Randomdude0000 (talk) 21:54, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

 Done SNOW consensus to make this move pbp 14:38, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

decrementing count of Democratic opponents

i have observed several edits merely to decrement the number N in the sentence "He subsequently announced his candidacy for the United States Senate in 2020 as one of N Democrats challenging one-term incumbent Republican"; it seems to me appropriate to leave it at the original number, as the sense of the sentence is to describe the field as of his announcement, and continuing to decrement it will make the article less useful as a reference; i'm putting this on the talk page to invite counterarguments before implementing the change

--Garbanzito (talk) 02:17, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

WP:NPOV issues

This article has a ton of NPOV issues which were largely introduced in this April 2019 edit by an WP:SPA account with a probable WP:COI. I'm going to tag the article accordingly and begin fixing it as time allows, but putting this note here as an FYI. Marquardtika (talk) 18:22, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Seemed like more of a WP:PUFF issue than outright WP:NPOV. I have removed the content. KidAd (talk) 18:35, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Needs protection

Media projections have him projected to win. A lot of first-time editors are making edits setting him as "Senator-elect" or Senator based on this projection. I mean I hope he does win but the media projection isn't sufficient. Reboot (talk)

 Not done: The page's protection level has changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. Seagull123 Φ 16:12, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
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