Talk:Karelo-Finnish Soviet Socialist Republic

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Suggestions[edit]

How about merging the articles Karelo-Finnish SSR and Karelia (republic)? Both are essentially about the same entity. Mikkalai 00:29, 21 Jan 2004 (UTC)

... and rename to Republic of Karelia? Mikkalai 00:31, 21 Jan 2004 (UTC)
that's kind of silly, same as merging all of the SSR pages with the current nation states.

Karelians and Finns as minority[edit]

Dear colleagues, regarding "Karelians and Finns were always a minority of around 10% in the republic - at the time, the only Soviet Republic whose titular nation was a minority in its own republic" - as much as I know this happened, because population en masse was running to Finland away from the territory "acquired" (occupied) by USSR. Soon the area was deserted of people, so the colonists from the USSR had to be brought in, which finally led to cancellation of the "Republic" status. I guess this would have to be mentioned in order for readers to understend the joke quoeted in article. I can't at the moment provide links to sources, which would be necessary, since this is encyclopedia. Can someone, who knows more about this, please, make the amendment?

The Finnish Karelians were evacuated before the territory was given over to Soviets. This requirement was stipulated in the Peace treaties. (Very few would have wanted to stay anyway.) -- Petri Krohn 11:55, 23 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have once again restored the joke. It is notable and encyclopedic because it shows the fact that the SSR was ridiculed even by the Soviets. The real reason for the existance of the Soviet Republic may thus lie in reminding of or legitimizing territorial claims on Finland by the Soviet Union, or more likely in the importance of Otto Wille Kuusinen in the Soviet leadership. -- Petri Krohn 23:58, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps this should be added to the article instead of being left on the discussion page. It might explain why the republic was reabsorbed into the RSFSR rather than just leaving it up to the reader to decide. I will try to incorporate a bit of it but lacking any sources, it might be best for someone to assist with this. Lstanley1979 (talk) 15:51, 23 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done. I only really had to play around with the structure of the article to make sure the reasoning for reincorporation was obvious. Lstanley1979 (talk) 15:57, 23 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Motto[edit]

"Kõigi maade proletaarlased, ühinege!" is Estonian, not Finnish, and certainly wasn't the motto of KFSSR. Fixed it into a more correct form. :) Darkness357 14:53, 18 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Today[edit]

Has there ever been any move on Finland's part to reannex this territory lost to the USSR now that the USSR no longer exists? I wonder, had the Karelo-Finnish SSR not been absorbed into the Russian SFSR, would it have declared independence when the Soviet Union disbanded? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.149.205.42 (talk) 08:23, 1 August 2007

The breakup of the Soviet Union did spark some debate in Finland, with nationalist sectors reviving the demand for return of areas conquered by the soviets in wwii. That however, has remained a marginal feature of Finnish politics. --Soman 06:38, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

See Karelian question in Finnish politics. -- Petri Krohn 10:01, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going to link this to the SSR article. It seems appropriate to anyone asking the question...what about the break-up of the Soviet Union. Issues over Kaliningrad are just as minor, but this is a tool used for research, not a reflection of Finnish attitudes. I came here with questions as to what the Finnish attitude was and why the SSR was reincorporated into the RSFSR, and I think that people studying the USSR/post-Soviet international relations in general would want to know causes and whys/wherefores even if it is not terribly important to modern Finno-Russian discourse or IR. Lstanley1979 (talk) 16:00, 23 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wikiproject Finland[edit]

For some reason the Wikiproject Finland was removed from this talk page. I don not see why. This is part of the Finnish history too. The Karelo-Finnish Soviet Socialist Republic was born after the Winter War, partly to ceded areas. Furthermore, it was successor of the Terijoki Government. Peltimikko (talk) 11:29, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I had removed WP:Finland from the talk page. The KFSSR was formed out of areas on which Finland made no claims, and unlike the Terijoki government the KFSSR did not include territorial claims on Finland. Likewise, the entire Finland was once part of the Russian empire, but we dont tag Talk:Finland with WP:Russia. --Soman (talk) 17:06, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It is up to the wikiproject to decide what is within their scope and what is not. If you are not a member of the wikiproject, it is customary to leave the tag alone. Colchicum (talk) 17:38, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]