Talk:Khouri

People with the surname Khoury

If someone isn't notable enough to have a wikipedia entry, I don't think that person ought to be listed here. I deleted a whole bunch of people who a quick google search told me weren't very notable at all (I left a couple who had pages in other languages but none in English yet).--Irn (talk) 23:26, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Diaspora people

Leonardo Favio, whose last name is spelled Jury per Spanish language phonetics

Domingo Cura, whose family adapted the last name to the Spanish word for "priest"

There should be others. elpincha (talk) 12:51, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

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This article about the origin of the name Khouri/Khouri/Khory completely bypasses Israel and Jews with this name. I am one of them.

My father's family last name in Ukraine was Khory and some family members spelled it as Khari (Хорий/Харий). I am told that our ancestor arrived from Jerusalem to Odessa about 300 years ago. Odessa - being a port city by the Black_Sea was the first city to welcome Mediterranean traders. We also know that around that time Odessa had a very prominent Jewish merchant by the same name, but we can not confirm that we were related.

The name Khoury/Khory is also common in Israel. Generally the Jews with this name trace their origin to Morocco, dating as far back as the Babylonian period. Just like in my dad's side of the family, the features are generally middle-eastern with dark skin and black hair with tight curls and hazel eyes. Yet, there is no question that we've always practiced Judaism, no matter how hard it got in pre-revolutionary Russia, and even harder during the Soviet period. Until our arrival in the USA, every generation in my family had suffered from persecution. We continue struggling in this country against the myths about Jews and Israel - like the way this article is attempting to avoid the elephant in the room: there are Jews by the last name Khoury / Хорий, and we are in abundant presence in Israel, and the land is called Israel – not Palestine.

It is important to reiterate that the article completely ignores the presence of Jews by that name, as well as skips the fact that there are many Mizrahi Jews by that name living in Israel. Lastly, the term Palestine always related to Jews who lived and worked that land continuously. There's no such thing as "Palestine" and the pseudo-academic attempt to force it into existence has no place in Wikipedia. Any Arabs living on that land, are only there as a result of massacring Jews and stealing the Jewish land and farms during the early XXth (20th) century or fludding the area with Arabs from the neighboring Arab states. It is all documented. In fact, all last names of the Arab occupants can be traced to their origin from other countries in the Arab world. Arafat himself was an Egyptian. The article must replace the name "Palestine" with the modern name of that land: ISRAEL! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Khory72 (talk) 16:19, 28 August 2015‎

References

The purpose of this page/list of people

The article should be renamed to Khoury not Khouri since there are significantly more number of people with the surname Khoury than Khouri all over the middle east and the world. Writing "Khouri or Khoury" at the beginning of the first sentence makes it seems as if the Khouri version is the most prevalent one.

This article is about providing information relevant to the surname and the ethnoreligious groups to which it is associated. Information that elaborates on the transliteration of the surname ("Χούρι"(Greek) (Ḫūrī)was taken away also for unknown reasons. Taking away the information on how the Maronite church allows married people to become priest despite being in communion with the Roman Catholic church is not aligned with that purpose.

• Taking away the paragraph where the different variants that this surname has taken due to the Lebanese diaspora also excludes very relevant information from this article.

• The purpose of this article is also to bring together all the notable people whose Khoury/Khouri last name has taken a variant and sometimes a very unusual variant. Due to the number of variants and unusual ones where sometimes one or very few people have that variant makes disambiguation much more difficult for the reader to read about those people and a inefficient/pointless task for an editor (especially since the whole list of Khoury notables and its variants is not that long). For example, Joanne Chory was taken away and not placed in any page since there are very few people with that surname to make a page creation for surname Chory worth it. Other notable people such as Fuad Jorge Jury (Leonardo Favio) and many others such as those with the Khuri variant who has a number of notables also suffered the same fate for the same reason I suppose. Keeping the paragraph where all the variants are mentioned and listing the one only notable people with that variant is a more proficient way of providing the information.

• Unlisting a notable person whose Khoury has been anglicized and including it only on the page of that anglicized surname makes it much more difficult for the reader to read about that person. One example is Elias James Corey. Corey is a fairly common surname the United States and anglosaxon countries so listing him only there is not the ideal thing since he might me the only or only of the few notable people with a variant of Khoury into Corey. Other surnames such as Juri, Curi, Kure are actual surnames in countries like Switzerland and Finland and putting a lebanese person who has a variation of Khoury in those pages will confuse a reader that is not looking for those with a Khoury variation in that list as well as making it hard for a reader to find notables with a very uncommon/unusual variation of Khoury.

• The previous edit tried to arrange the notable persons alphabetically according to their surname variant not their first name letter which made it easier for the reader to find the persons by variant. CalinicoFire (talk) 22:03, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

You misunderstand the purpose of this page, which is not an article but a list. Its format and content is governed by MOS:APO. The content you have in mind could be accommodated in an article Khoury (surname), similiar to Spencer (surname). Please revert your revert. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 01:20, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

The page is an article and a list of notables is included just like in the Spencer (surname) page. When it comes to the list included:

As per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Anthroponymy/Standards#Entries:

-Alternate spellings of the same name may be included if they have the same origin as the primary spelling. You cannot include someone with lets say Kure or Cura into the Kure or Cura surname article since its mainly a Finnish and Spanish/Italian surname primarily so the lebanese variant should be included in the Khouri list.

-Misspellings should be listed only if there is a genuine risk of confusion, but should be placed in See also. How can you tell if its a alternate spelling or a misspelling? Khouri and Khuri for example is not a misspelling but a variant of Khoury because they are in fairly high numbers in Lebanon/Syria eventhough they have the same places of origin and meaning.

[inserted] The same with the variants of the Lebanese diaspora, they are mainly alternate spellings according to the country/city where the immigrants arrived and settled, not misspellings in my opinion as stated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Enion Glas (talk) 02:44, 7 November 2017‎

Even if they are considered misspellings the example of Spencer (surname) does not work in this article since Spencer has a few misspellings with a high number of people and notables with each misspelling. The Khoury/Khouri has a high number of "misspellings" with very few number of people and notables with it so creating a long list of See Also list does not work.

Plus, as per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Anthroponymy/Standards#Articles If at least two articles matching the surname or given name of the subject of a name article do not exist, then the surname or given name list article would not be notable and should not be created. So this would leave a considerable amount of notables out and not placed in articles besides the fact that even if a variant has a few notables above the number of two creating articles for so many variants/misspellings with few notables is pointless considering that the current list of Khoury/Khouri notables along with its variants/misspellings is not that long in fact quite short compared with examples like Spencer (surname)

As per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Anthroponymy/Standards#Descriptor Descriptor should not include a wikilinkCalinicoFire (talk) 16:09, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Word origin

What evidence is there that the word is the derived from the Latin "curia"? No source is cited. It seems more likely derived from the Greek Χωρεπίσκοπος or the Latin chorepiscopus, which is a religious position of a similar rank.

Surname among Muslims

Is there someone called Mohammed Khoury? I need to know. 49.236.2.124 (talk) 19:12, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

What order?

What order are these names supposed to be listed in? It seems neither to be A-Z by forename, nor A-Z by surname spelling, nor chronological (no dates included, unusually for a surname list like this). Sylvia Khoury, a current American author currently at Draft:Sylvia Khoury, will soon need to be added but I have no idea where she should be placed in this list. PamD 13:32, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

This edit back in 2020, possibly done with good intentions, seems to be what created the current mess. Ghmyrtle (talk) 14:38, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

@Ghmyrtle: Hmm, that seemed to move from one mess to another. There's a confusing discussion further up this page. I guess a problem is the dual role of surname pages: (a) information about the origin, frequency, etc of a surname (not to be confused with identically spelled names of different origins, but including totally differently-spelled names which are derived from the same source), and/or (b) a way to track down the articles in the encyclopedia for people sharing the surname "Xyz", for readers who have found a reference to "building on the work of Xyz" or "influenced by Xyz". The two aren't particularly compatible, and different editors care about different aspects. Ah well. I thought the Anthroponymy WikiProject was officially inactive but I now see there is work on its "Standards" page - might have a look and see if it sheds any light on what should happen here! PamD 15:17, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

I've left a note at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anthroponymy. PamD 15:38, 11 May 2022 (UTC)