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The article Kingdom of Cambodia (1975–76) should be merged into Democratic Kampuchea. Vanjagenije (talk) 08:56, 28 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

It would be very easy for this article to veer off into just another report of the khmer rouge genocide. I think the scope of the article should focus on the genesis of the movement during that transitional period before it all went tits up. ^walk victor falk^talk 04:29, 22 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The fact that Prince (former King) Norodom Sihanouk was Chairman of the State Presidium (de jure Head of State) of Democratic Kampuchea from 1975-1976 has absolutely no bearing on the name of the state, et cetera. Cambodia was styled 'Democratic Kampuchea' right from the outset, not the 'Kingdom of Cambodia' and the flag and emblem of Democratic Kampuchea that were used after 1976 by Democratic Kampuchea were used during the period 1975-1976 as well (please see the Constitution of Democratic Kampuchea from 1975.) Sihanouk was 'Chairman of the State Presidium' during this period, as opposed to King.

In essence, the Khmer Rouge enlisted the support of Sihanouk in an effort to bolster support for them amongst the mass of the peasantry, (which previously they majorly lacked) who viewed the King and Royal family, in whatever role they took, in almost god-like terms, and it worked. Cambodian peasants flocked to the Khmer Rouge in droves once they had Sihanouk's support.

All that aside however, it remains that the political entity which existed 1975-1976 was exactly the same as that which existed after 1976. Same name, same flag, same emblem, same constitution, same everything. The fact Sihanouk was it's (largely powerless) legal head of state during this period is irrelevant. Thus, the page you have created should be merged into the Democratic Kampuchea article.JWULTRABLIZZARD (talk) 12:52, 22 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Probably better to make it a redirect or merge yes. Also any mention of any of this is not veering off to mention the genocide and complete barbaric craziness of what happened. Earl King Jr. (talk) 14:43, 22 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I was mislead by the {{infobox Former Country}} that was in the GRUNK article and around which I built the stub. It made it look like it was a restoration of Sihanouk's Kingdom of Cambodia (1953-1970), what with having the same national anthem (Nokor Reach "Royal Kingdom") and coat of arms, after the fall of the Khmer Republic. ^walk victor falk^talk 21:29, 22 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have much to contribute in this issue, although I will say that if you eventually just redirect the article, the redirect should (if possible) point to the most relevant section rather than just Democratic Kampuchea. Also, if there were enough goings on during this brief period, I don't see why there couldn't be some sort of small article of some sort. Even if this stub were to simply be merged into another article, I think there should probably be at least some brief mention of it elsewhere in a unique section; I believe that at least that much information is attainable. Dustin (talk) 23:26, 22 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Also, the formatting of this discussion is completely messed up, so we should probably some sort of consistent method when adding comments, such as using colons. Dustin (talk) 23:29, 22 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I think the proper target would be Democratic_Kampuchea#History?
As to mentioning it anywhere, according to JWULTRABLIZZARD, there never was such a thing as a KoC in 1975-76, just Sihanouk as "Head of State". But I agree that Sihanouk's 'retirement' & exile in April 76 should be properly mentioned in the DK article. Right now it (2nd para #history section) doesn't use the word "exile" but says he 'departed', which might be a euphemistic. ^walk victor falk^talk 00:50, 23 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

So, what next? Dustin (talk) 20:18, 27 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Victor falk: Are you there? Dustin (talk) 21:33, 5 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sry, I've had spotty internet access the last couple of weeks & I'm afraid it will continue for at least part of the summer. As said, I think it should redirect to Democratic Kampuchea#History with a more detailed account of the events between April 1975 and April 1976 there. ^walk victor falk^talk 07:52, 7 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think it is true that the govt in 1975 called itself "Democratic Kampuchea" right from the outset. Certainly in a diplomatic communique in May 1975 it called itself the "Royal Government of the National Union of Cambodia" and "R.G.N.U.C." or "Royal Government" for short, see page 164 of [1]. Also the Australian govt in its official recognition statement said it "recognised the Royal Government of the National Union of Cambodia on 17 April 1975, which Government was in March 1976 renamed the Government of Democratic Kampuchea".[2] I don't have the historic background to comment on the merits of merging articles, but thought I should highlight these factoids. Rwendland (talk) 20:33, 26 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

What's the problem with this article that you all seem to have? What did this discussion accomplish? Dustin (talk) 19:08, 19 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It seams to me that the result of this discussion is that we should merge this article into the Democratic Kampuchea article. Those two were the same state, ruled by the same government, so there is no need to have two articles. No sources were presented to prove that the country was called "Kingdom of Cambodia" in the 1975-1976 period (it was only sowed that the government was called "Royal Government" by Australia. I'm going to perform the merge. Vanjagenije (talk) 08:56, 28 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.