Talk:LGBT rights in Angola

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Is homosexuality still illegal? Angola adopted new penal code http://www.plusnews.org/pt/Report.aspx?ReportId=78418 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.12.171.218 (talk) 20:18, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

....and in 2010 an entirely new constitution was adopted. The article as it stands is thus outdated. --Aflis (talk) 17:27, 24 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Can someone please add this reference[edit]

https://www.jurist.org/news/2019/01/angola-decriminalizes-homosexuality-bans-discrimination/

Also I would like to point out I find it funny that it says homosexuality is legal in Angola in the LGBT rights in Africa article but not in the Angola article. Apparently maybe the articles need a little tweaking. 50.68.237.196 (talk) 23:02, 26 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Has the new penal code entered into force?[edit]

I cannot find any source indicating that the new penal code decriminalizing homosexuality has received the president's signature and got published on the official gazette, entering into force. Can someone please help? Possibly can any Angolan LGBT association please intervene? Thank you Finedelledanze (talk) 08:53, 19 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of material without discussion[edit]

@Lmharding: When you made the edit which expunged information about discrimination protections, you wrote in ES: "removed articles that do not have anything to do with protections in goods and services".

The claims that you removed said:

Article 214 covers both employment and goods and services. That is what the source also says.
And in addition to that other articles covered other things: e.g. Article 216 covers defamation and hate crimes; 172 provides penalties for threats of harm (against LGBT individuals and groups, among others), and so on. The source agrees.

You also inserted this "Additionally, there were plans to put in protections for goods and services, but they have not been placed." using as support the existing reference^[1] from which the '(Discriminação)' quote below is taken. It in no way supports your claim. You would need a different source for that.

The following are extracts from references that were used to support the paragraphs you deleted:

1.^[2] Angolan law sets down the general principle of equality of rights between employees regardless of their sexual orientation and therefore prohibits discrimination based on sexual orientation. On 15 June 2015, the new general Labour Law ("Lei Geral do Trabalho" or "new GLL"), enacted by Act no.7/15, of June was published in the Angolan Official gazette (Diário da República)... (2016, p.82) [So, ok, this one only mentions employment, but...]

2.^[3] Further, Article 197 of the new Code proposes up to two year's imprisonment for discrimination in employment and in the supply of goods and services on the basis [inter alia] of sexual orientation. (2017, p. 82) [As an aside: "among other categories", which you deleted from a sentence is a direct translation of the above Latin legal phrase: inter alia]

Artigo 214.º
(Discriminação)
1- É punido com pena de prisão até 2 anos ou com a de multa até 240 dias quem, por causa da raça, cor, etnia, local de nascimento, sexo, orientação sexual, doença ou deficiência física ou psíquica não impeditiva ou condicionante, crença ou religião, convicções políticas ou ideológicas, condição ou origem social ou quaisquer outras formas de discriminação:
a) Recusar contrato ou emprego;
b) Recusar ou condicionar o fornecimento de bens ou serviços;
c) Impedir ou condicionar o exercício de actividade económica de outra
pessoa;
d) Punir ou despedir trabalhador.^[1]

Article 214
(Discrimination)
1. Punished with imprisonment up to 2 years or with fine of up to 240 days for whoever, because of gender, race, ethnicity, color, birthplace, religion or belief, sexual orientation, political or ideological convictions, social origin or condition:
a) to refuse employment contract, b) refuse or restrict the supply of goods or services or c) restrict or prevent the exercise of economic activity of another person, or
d) to punish or fire workers

Please help me to understand your thinking on this. I know you have said you feel my edits per the sources on another LGBT page is bullying, but I am really just trying to keep the articles accurate, to the best of my ability, and I do not think you are interpreting the sources correctly. Rather than discuss the issues, you remove any changes, and seem to spring to attack any different perspectives. I want to understand why you think this is ok. I concede I may well be wrong, but I edit and try for consensus in good faith. This seems to irritate you: if I do not accept your viewpoint, then, without making arguments from the sources ('it's common sense', etc,), you return to your preferred version, sometimes making rather dismissive and slightly demeaning comments. I thought long and hard about whether to broach this at all, but I can discern a concerning pattern. To be honest, I am rather scared of the reaction I will get to my changes, and what I've said here - if I get an answer at all (outside of edit summaries).

Nevertheless, I really feel responsible for helping to maintain accuracy on WP, and the statement you placed, and the reasons you gave for your deletions, are demonstrably incorrect in this case, so, in the interest of good articles, I will be restoring the information, along with more recent supporting sources. If you still feel this is wrong, I hope you will discuss here first, before reverting or making changes which contradict the sources. Maybe you will convince me!

Also, I am still waiting for a response (on LGBT rights in Texas talk page) to my request about the unfounded aspersion you cast, if you could please find a moment to go to that page. Thanks. AukusRuckus (talk) 15:12, 18 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

[ang_penal_code-1] "LEI QUE APROVA O CÓDIGO PENAL ANGOLANO".

[2] ILGA 2016 world survey

[3] ILGA 2017 world survey: STATE-SPONSORED HOMOPHOBIA

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