Talk:List of storms on the Great Lakes

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Requested move[edit]

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The result of the move request was: page moved to List of storms on the Great Lakes -- JHunterJ (talk) 19:12, 17 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Great Storms of the North American Great Lakes → List of notable storms on the Great Lakes – I think this name better fits the naming conventions. Powers T 00:26, 10 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Since notability is normally a prime consideration for listing, I don't see it's value in a title. Compare: List of people from South Carolina with the former Famous people from South Carolina. Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lists#List naming says: For instance, words like "complete," "famous" and "notable" are normally excluded from list titles. The introduction (lead) to the list should make it clear what the criteria are for the listing. Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Stand-alone lists#Lead says: Stand-alone lists should begin with a lead section that summarizes its content, provides any necessary background information, gives encyclopedic context, links to other relevant articles, and makes direct statements about the criteria by which members of the list were selected, unless inclusion criteria are unambiguously clear from the article title. The current lead for this article fails so to do. The proposer might remedy that, rather than put "notable" in the title. --Bejnar (talk) 02:25, 10 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I am unconcerned with the presence of the word "notable" in the title. My main concerns are the undefined adjective "Great" and the capitalization of the word "Storms", both of which I find unsuitable. The phrase "North American" is redundant, as well, so I omitted it in my proposal. Anything else is certainly up for discussion, both the designation of the article as a List and the exact wording to replace the old title. Powers T 13:53, 10 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that the word "Great" is rather vague, and I'm also thinking that the phrase "Great Storms" makes it sound like the title of a paperback book instead of the title of an encyclopedia article. I'm not sure what to replace it with, though. Like Bejnar said above, "notable" should apply to every Wikipedia article. Ideally, the new title would explain that these storm events caused one or several shipwrecks. Is there a precedent among other Wikipedia articles about lists of storms that caused shipwrecks? --Elkman (Elkspeak) 17:53, 10 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I believe that damage discussion should be in the lead, not finagled into the title. How about just plain List of storms on the Great Lakes. Of course, there is the List of the most intense tropical cyclones model. --Bejnar (talk) 01:12, 11 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

N.B.: an editor moved this article to my proposed title even though the discussion is ongoing. I have reverted that move as premature. Note also that there is currently an active AfD for this article. Powers T 14:28, 12 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Armistice Day Blizzard?[edit]

Notably missing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armistice_Day_Blizzard — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.161.167.235 (talk) 07:10, 2 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Short section added. Still missing the Alpena Storm of 1880. And other 19th century storms. Rmhermen (talk) 20:12, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Mataafa storm section necessarily shortened[edit]

Most of the content was moved to the main article, with its lead/summary moved here. I left the list of wrecks to conform with the format seen in this article. Thegreatdr (talk) 14:22, 10 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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September 13, 1883[edit]

A severe storm on Lake Huron apparently sank a number of vessels, including the steamer Francis Smith, with 100 people on board. https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn85033123/1883-11-16/ed-1/seq-1/ Kdammers (talk) 05:19, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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