Talk:Literature of Kosovo

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Topic?[edit]

I think that the topic of this article is unclear. Is it literature of the language, region or state? Since there is no Kosovo language and as far as I know there is nothing distinctive in Serbian, Albanian or Turkish literature published in this region I guess this is literature connected with 2008 RoK state? If that is so pre-2008 should be removed from this article.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 22:20, 26 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, a "Kosovan" literary tradition is one of recent date, if not currently non-existant. Also, content relating to Media in Kosovo and Languages in Kosovo should be added to those articles, not this one. 23 editor (talk) 01:56, 27 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Literature is something done by people, not a government; that ridiculous argument is simply an excuse to remove sourced content which doesn't suit your POV. Since the source was specifically discussing literature in Kosovo, and this is the Literature of Kosovo article, I am restoring it. bobrayner (talk) 14:20, 27 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

On the other hand, if you genuinely believe that argument about statehood, then we have much more content on Serbian literature which you should remove, since the modern Serbian state is similarly recent; and of course a change of direction will be needed on all the articles which currently pretend that Kosovo isn't a state. Do you really believe the reasoning you've tried here? Go ahead and fix many other articles, with my sincere blessing and support. If you now regard "Kosovo" as meaning the same as the "Repulic of Kosovo", I imagine you'd want to undo the split of those articles, yes? bobrayner (talk) 14:31, 27 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Referring to other editors' arguments as ridiculous is not constructive, nor is your repeated attempt to attribute certain POV to me. Please be so kind not to continue with such practice in future.
Two assertions you added are not only unrelated to the topic but are also incorrect. Blaming Serbia for lack of the Albanian language literature published before early 20th century in situation when the Albanian language script was created only in 1908 at Congress of Monastir with no Albanian language schools at 1912 Ottoman Kosovo (they were requested during the Albanian Revolt of 1912) does not make much sense. Albanian language newspaper Rilindija was established and published by Yugoslav state publisher since 1945.
You failed to address my explanation that "there is nothing distinctive in Serbian, Albanian or Turkish literature published in this region". Instead you used straw man when stated "Literature is something done by people, not a government". Literature articles are created for languages or states. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 15:00, 27 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Your latest comment is another unconstructive red herring loaded question you ask me today (diff of the first one). Please be so kind not to continue with it. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 15:08, 27 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@Bobrayner: Not so. The Serbian state has existed in various forms since the 11th century. A "Kosovan" state only declared independence in 2008. I fail to see the point of your arguement, which is a rather weak one at that. The modern area of Kosovo, throughout its history, was always either part of the Serbian Empire, the Ottoman Empire, Yugoslavia, or Serbia. 23 editor (talk) 17:34, 27 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

We have two possible ways forward, for this article:
A. Reliable sources, such as this, say that Kosovo has considerable literary history.
B. Antidiskriminator and 23 editor editor argue the opposite; that there was no Kosovan literary tradition before 2008.
I have chosen option A. Here's a bit more sourced content which is wholly incompatible with option B. bobrayner (talk) 19:59, 27 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Instead to address the arguments presented on this talk page you again opted for edit war (diff) and fallacious straw man misinterpretations of the opponent's position. I never said there was no literary tradition at Kosovo. Here is what I really said (for the third time): "there is nothing distinctive in Serbian, Albanian or Turkish literature published in this region" which would justify determination of the topic of this article as connected to the region.
There are only few sources (Kosovan literature (1 GBS hit) or Literature of Kosovo (14 GBS hits)) which mention it but practically none of them deal with literature of Kosovo region as distincted from Serbian (17,700 GBS hits), Albanian (9,380 GBS hits) or Turkish (63,200 GBS hits) literature.
Retroactive nationalization of the literature with the perspective of the contemporary region of disputed statehood with limited recognition is simply not (yet) covered by sources, so such article simply fails wp:notability criteria. Until such sources are created I think the topic issue can be resolved by defining the scope of this article as literature published in 2008 RoK state. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 22:11, 27 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Celalzade Salih Çelebi[edit]

Celalzade Salih Çelebi seems to have nothing to do with Kosovo. Turkish Wikipedia has an article. Beside the Battle of Szigetvár, and being a kadi here and there through the Empire, nothing else. He was born in the Pontic region of Anatolia.Mondiad (talk) 13:20, 10 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]