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Its getting REALLY tedious that certain people in Wikipedia think that "the Shipslist" is original content. In fact it is very often copied from some of the best experts in the shipping space and NOT attributed by the shipslist. That does not make the shipslist the owner of the copyright.

In the historic liner space there are three experts that stand head and shoulders above the rest and they are Nicholas Bonsor, Arnold Kludas and John Maxtone-Graham.

I cited two of these authors. The shipslist lifted information from these sources. What's more I added a lot of additional information and reorganised what is one of the poorest written articles in the liner category. Please note that Polish Ocean Lines was only formed after the ship had been sold to the Russians (another detail not mentioned) so it never belonged to that line. Indeed the image refers to the Gruziya and yet the text does not. And then there is the issue that the source cited for the passenger numbers in each class does NOT even match the numbers in that source. Tsk, tsk....

You really need to lift your game if you are claiming to be an arbiter on the subject of shipping, which I have been studying since the 1970s.

Beyond that, I am a qualified librarian and I know my literary copyright. I am getting tired of the bar-room (copyright) lawyers roaming loose in here.

I would note that this site here: http://www.tynebuiltships.co.uk/S-Ships/sobieski1939.html has all the data that is supposedly the "copyright" of theshipslist. I would also note it has the correct name of the shipping company whereas the wikipedia article does not. Does this imply that the shipslist took the data from here? No, in reality the metrics of the ship are what they are and NO-ONE owns the fact the ship was launched in a certain year or was so many metres long. Once again brush up your copyright law...

What you CANNOT DO here is copy or closely paraphase the words that other sources use (even if the source you are copying it from has copied it from someone else). While data (i.e. lengths etc) is not copyrightable, the words used to express them is - you need to use your own words when expanding an article and not someone else's (and do not claim other peoples work as your own as you are doing with some of your photo uploads.Nigel Ish (talk) 09:53, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]