Talk:Mosaic (web browser)
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- 1 Other versions
- 2 Correct name
- 3 Contradiction concerning Spyglass and NCSA Mosaic
- 4 Mosiac and Internet Explorer
- 5 WorldWideWeb
- 6 Now
- 7 Not the first
- 8 What were Mosaic's Features?
- 9 Subtemplates for preview and release versions
- 10 Screenshots?
- 11 Firefox revisionism
- 12 final link in the chain
- 13 Development of Mosaic (first releases)
- 14 ports
- 15 File:Mosaiclogo.png Nominated for Deletion
- 16 Merge all forks
- 17 My AV is from Slovakia
- 18 Window shoot of NCSA Mosaic under Unix please
- 19 Earlier Development?
Huh? How is that possible? the image doesnt match up with the last releases.
♠ Frankly I think there should be a subsection for each version (i.e., Windows, Mac, Linux, Unix) for historical purposes. People shouldn't think that these were developed simultaneously for all platforms in all cases. In those days it was not PC/Mac-centric like it is now. Software was developed on mainframes and then microcomputers later.--THE FOUNDERS INTENT TALK 15:42, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Since the browser was officially called NCSA Mosaic and is always referred to by that name (on their website, for example), should it be moved there? I'm sure people are far more likely to type in 'NCSA Mosaic' than 'Mosaic (browser)'.
- NCSA Mosaic redirects to this article already. If someone is looking for this browser, they will likely just enter 'Mosaic' and eventually hit the disambiguation page where 'Mosaic (web browser)' is a better entry than 'NCSA Mosaic'. Most people either never knew or have forgotten the 'NCSA' part of the name.VMS Mosaic (talk) 17:40, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm also confused as to why Quarterdeck Mosaic redirects to this page. Quarterdeck was a completely different entity than NCSA. "Quarterdeck Mosaic" should probably redirect to /wiki/Quarterdeck. Side commentary: I remember paying $40 for the Quarterdeck Mosaic Suite in the mid-90s. Imagine if software companies charged people $40 web browsers now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fsabelhaus (talk • contribs) 16:13, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
Contradiction concerning Spyglass and NCSA Mosaic
Spyglass, Inc. licensed the technology and trademarks from NCSA for producing their own web browser but never used any of the NCSA Mosaic source code. Spyglass Mosaic was later licensed by Microsoft, and it was modified and renamed Internet Explorer.
The above comment appear to contradict the following from the Netscape_Communications_Corporation article...
Microsoft released version 1.0 of Internet Explorer (based, ironically, on the NCSA Mosaic code) as a part of the Windows 95 Plus Pack add-on.
Which is it? -- Des Courtney 21:30 24Nov2004
♠ The whole paragraph on Spyglass is really irrelevant and should be the subject of a separate article. This article is about NCSA Mosaic and shouldn't be muddied with discussions about other browsers except maybe a passing mention.--THE FOUNDERS INTENT TALK 14:53, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Mosiac and Internet Explorer
Doesn't Internet Explorer use the Mosiac engine (or did at some point)? Isn't this mentionable? --184.108.40.206 22:48, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
I gotta run, but more credit should be given up front to WorldWideWeb, the NeXT computer platform, and Tim Berners-Lee.
- No shit, dude. The little plaque is crap. WorldWideWeb was, literally, the daddy... everything after is just well, after. 2nd place. I think this article gets attention because an American (USA) wrote the software - the WWW was of course a European invention ... but not even that, it was just the invention of a European.
- Is it still possible to get a legal free download of the program, just for novelty's sake? -Litefantastic 01:38, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, ftp://ftp.ncsa.uiuc.edu/Mosaic/ but the program no longer works properly. Type any URL and you get stuck in an eternal nonloading page lookup. Bob the Wikipedian (talk • contribs) 21:28, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Not the first
Technically, Opera 2.0 (released in 1995) was the first browser for Windows, was it not? And MultiTorg Opera was created in 1994 by the founder of Opera Software, a Windows 3.0 web browser (never released to the public, though I never give up hope that one day a copy will resurface). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk • contribs)
- If you check out the dates in the article, you'd see that Mosaic was developed and released in late 1992-early 1993. Thanks. --Ragib 08:44, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
What were Mosaic's Features?
This article really needs a feature description. What did the application do? Let's not assume because it was a web browser that that's a sufficient description of its functionality. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dbarefoot (talk • contribs).
- Agreed. I wouldn't expect anything other than HTML 2.0 and images though. -- intgr 07:09, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Subtemplates for preview and release versions
It looks like this has been set up to use subtemplates to maintain version numbers in the infobox. Since Mosaic is frozen and has been for a decade, I'd like to stop using subtemplates (and get rid of the the version increment/decrement links), but I can't figure out how. Maybe someone more experienced with the infobox template can do so? Avram (talk) 17:46, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
The article said "Mosaic's direct descendant on the coder line, via Marc Andreessen, was Netscape Navigator. Netscape Navigator's code descendant is Mozilla Firefox.".
This is pure revisionism, as the code descendant of Netscape is Mozilla, later renamed Mozilla Application Suite, and now maintained as SeaMonkey.
Mozilla Firefox is an interface fork of Mozilla, both using the same framework called Gecko. While it could be argued that Firefox did ultimately descend from Netscape's code, Mozilla was first. BenoitRen (talk) 17:42, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
- Agree, what is a "descendant on the coder line" anyway, an elevator on a subway? 18.104.22.168 (talk) 12:51, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
Having issues with this, especially since the protocols listed don't necessarily depend on each other, eg there is no chain, there is an amorphous set of protocols that are constantly improved, forked and repurposed, and on top of that there is no end to the chains that do temporarily form, each day brings an extra link, however small. Sure for a while the web was the pinnacle, but now technologies are being layered on top of it, and HTTP is being pushed into 'middleware', the middle of the protocol stack, eg. AJAX. So there is no "final". If we mean, final in terms of creating the web as it was in 1993, then I don't see why gopher, for example is listed, or why TCP comes before IP. etc.... 22.214.171.124 (talk) 13:02, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
Development of Mosaic (first releases)
The reference to ftp://ftp.ncsa.uiuc.edu/Mosaic/Windows/Archive/MosaicHistory.html yields different release dates (e.g. Nov 11, 1993 for version 1.0) than the article. The reason is that the reference holds only for the Windows versions, not for the XWindows versions. For these  is a better reference, hence the article text itself may be correct. But someone should correct the wrong reference.--126.96.36.199 (talk) 00:51, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
Shouldn't we think of explaining what ports were avaible?mabdul 12:37, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
starting a list applications based on mosaic:
- VMS Mosaic
- internet explorer
- IBM WebExplorer
- Internet in a Box (== Air Mosaic)
- Enhanced Mosaic (Enhanced NSCA Mosaic) (Spyglass Enhanced Mosaic)
- SPRY Mosaic
- TueV Mosaic for X
- Pathworks Mosaic
more? mabdul 19:46, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
- A bunch of "compatible" UAs, maybe to avoid intimidations. Well, this one is from the MIT/Verisign's country, Linux Mosaic, afterwards actually free, a kool person for sure, NB's one is being taken by now as a re-port on Pellow's masterpiece (not Mida$) and a port on erwisE .. ;-xxx (he puhuvat noin äiti, ei noin isä...) and "Arena" (perhaps Guido van Rossum's client as well). Note: a supported support like this must have helped.
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Merge all forks
As long as the articles on forks of Mosaic (Mosaic-CK and VMS Mosaic) are not of much use, I suggest merging them into a new section of this article (say, Descendants). IMO such merge will both improve this article (demonstrating the lasting impact of Mosaic) and the coverage of descendents, potentially allowing to discuss the differences between the forks. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk) 12:52, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
- ✓ Done in lack of opposition. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk) 12:06, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
My AV is from Slovakia
Interesting historical record, same to a client available in January 1993. Of course if someone is not mosaic-x, no support. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk • contribs) 22:20, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
- In regard, a kool timeline of a humble guy:  (not so difficult),  (how Google does it?), , , , , , , , , . UAs were all Mosaic (or just in Verisign TLDs?). Nothing for Nicola Pellow, sorry.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 14:14, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
Window shoot of NCSA Mosaic under Unix please
I am not sure it matters but, I suspect development began in 1990 at the latest (not 1992). I used an early version under X-Windows on a VAXStation in 1990. I certainly got it from the University of Illinois at Urbana–Champaign.220.127.116.11 (talk) 05:14, 8 September 2014 (UTC)