Talk:Nile Kinnick

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Former good article nomineeNile Kinnick was a Sports and recreation good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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DateProcessResult
August 7, 2006Good article nomineeNot listed

Way Over-done and too long[edit]

This whole article is way overdone, and too long, and portrays Kinnick as a Jesus Christ who walked on water and performed miracles. It is particulatly not from a neutral poing-of-view. It is greatly-exaggerated and full of extranneous details74.249.77.168 (talk) 18:34, 20 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

With all due respect, your accusations lack substance. The article is around 30 KB, which is well within Wikipedia's accepted length limits. There are no references to Kinnick as either a deity or a miracle worker - not one - despite the fact that he is occasionally portrayed as such by sports media. The article actually makes pains to debunk a few widespread but inaccurate myths about Kinnick's courage, particularly the events surrounding his death. You are free to correct any specific "exaggerations" or "non-neutral" statements you may see in the article, but your current criticisms are both vague and often inaccurate. Rozehawk (talk) 17:13, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral Point-of-View[edit]

"a lasting tribute to Iowa’s greatest football player" is an opinion so I changed.

Same to the end of the last paragraph "...in lasting tribute", as well as the comments as to how many people are aware of the various memorials to Kinnick. Attributations of the coin thing is also necessary. --Eirishis 22:04, 11 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ironmen Nickname[edit]

I have to find the source for the Ironmen name but as I understand it, there was one game in which only 13 players were healthy enough to play and 8 of those 13 played the entire game.

GA status[edit]

This nomination is on hold for 7 days for these reasons: expand the lead to cover the scope of the article, add a persondata box above the categories (not required, but suggested, see Robert Baden-Powell, 1st Baron Baden-Powell for a sample, and provide footnotes for the unquoted sections.Rlevse 10:31, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Failed GA due to no action taken.Rlevse 18:32, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Cleanup tag[edit]

Sections 3 and 4 should be in chronological order. Right now, we read about post-1939, then his death, followed by paragraphs about pre-1939, then more about his death; it's quite confusing. Maralia 17:13, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Issues with this article[edit]

This article is very biased towards Nile Kinnick and should be heavily revised. In addition, there is a lot of extraneous information about Kinnick.

For example: In College Career/Undergraduate Years The account is persuasive, because it was typical of Kinnick. To start from nothing and test himself against his own weakness as well as outside resistance were challenges Kinnick always pursued if they were available.

But opponents raved about Kinnick.

Also the following sentence (After scoring Iowa's only touchdown in a 13-6 loss to Wisconsin, Solem wrote sports editor Sec Taylor from Syracuse, "I was sure that Kinnick was destined to be the greatest back in all Iowa history, and I am more convinced than ever that he will be.") is just poorly written.

The next paragraph also is clearly subjective. For example: -The "heartbreaking" loss was a 7 - 6 defeat at the hands of Michigan, despite Kinnick's 74-yard punt return for a touchdown.

-Sportswriter Bert McGrane wrote, "I can't recall a single break that favored Iowa...You'd think Iowa would win the toss by accident once in a while." Iowa had not won the coin toss in 13 games. Why does Iowa losing a coin toss in 13 games matter at all to this article? Also, 13 should be replaced with thirteen.

-Kinnick, the lone bright spot of the 1937 season,... Again, calling Kinnick "the lone bright spot of the 1937 season" is subjective.

There are a lot grammar issues in the next two paragraphs.

In College Career/1939 season The first two paragraphs are unnecessary (for instance, it doesn't matter to report the coach's relationship with Kinnick)

In College Career/Heisman Trophy speech -Kinnick's Heisman Trophy acceptance speech, made approximately two years before the United States entered World War II, is remembered as one of the most eloquent and moving ever given. This sentence is clearly subjective.

In Life after 1939/Plans -The Packers defeated the College All-Stars, 45-28, in an entertaining game. Kinnick scored two touchdowns and kicked four extra points. It was noted that the All-Stars scored four touchdowns while Kinnick was in the game; when he sat on the bench, they mustered just one first down. Entertaining is subjective. The last sentence is unnecessary.

In Legacy/Honors The honors that have been heaped upon Nile Kinnick after his death are almost innumerable.

In Death -Iowa sportscaster Tait Cummins said, "Kinnick proved one thing, that college athletics could be beautiful. Everything that can be said that is good about college athletics he was. He didn't represent it...he was it." This sentence is unnecessary to the content of the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zhimes (talk • contribs) 17:49, 10 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Issues with this article[edit]

This article is very biased towards Nile Kinnick and should be heavily revised. In addition, there is a lot of extraneous information about Kinnick.

For example: In College Career/Undergraduate Years The account is persuasive, because it was typical of Kinnick. To start from nothing and test himself against his own weakness as well as outside resistance were challenges Kinnick always pursued if they were available.

But opponents raved about Kinnick.

Also the following sentence (After scoring Iowa's only touchdown in a 13-6 loss to Wisconsin, Solem wrote sports editor Sec Taylor from Syracuse, "I was sure that Kinnick was destined to be the greatest back in all Iowa history, and I am more convinced than ever that he will be.") is just poorly written.

The next paragraph also is clearly subjective. For example: -The "heartbreaking" loss was a 7 - 6 defeat at the hands of Michigan, despite Kinnick's 74-yard punt return for a touchdown.

-Sportswriter Bert McGrane wrote, "I can't recall a single break that favored Iowa...You'd think Iowa would win the toss by accident once in a while." Iowa had not won the coin toss in 13 games. Why does Iowa losing a coin toss in 13 games matter at all to this article? Also, 13 should be replaced with thirteen.

-Kinnick, the lone bright spot of the 1937 season,... Again, calling Kinnick "the lone bright spot of the 1937 season" is subjective.

There are a lot grammar issues in the next two paragraphs.

In College Career/1939 season The first two paragraphs are unnecessary (for instance, it doesn't matter to report the coach's relationship with Kinnick)

In College Career/Heisman Trophy speech -Kinnick's Heisman Trophy acceptance speech, made approximately two years before the United States entered World War II, is remembered as one of the most eloquent and moving ever given. This sentence is clearly subjective.

In Life after 1939/Plans -The Packers defeated the College All-Stars, 45-28, in an entertaining game. Kinnick scored two touchdowns and kicked four extra points. It was noted that the All-Stars scored four touchdowns while Kinnick was in the game; when he sat on the bench, they mustered just one first down. Entertaining is subjective. The last sentence is unnecessary.

In Legacy/Honors The honors that have been heaped upon Nile Kinnick after his death are almost innumerable.

In Death -Iowa sportscaster Tait Cummins said, "Kinnick proved one thing, that college athletics could be beautiful. Everything that can be said that is good about college athletics he was. He didn't represent it...he was it." This sentence is unnecessary to the content of the article.

Zhimes (talk) 17:50, 10 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Squadron mate Bill Reiter[edit]

After reading the section about Kinnick's death and the statement from his squadron mate Bill Reiter, I wanted to know more about Reiter himself. Since the article states he died shortly afterward, I wondered how. I found a citation that seems to contradict the roundabout death date of Bill Reiter. It's a small correction, but it seems he died in battle over Wake Island a little over FOUR months after Kinnick died, not three as the article states. The citation also mentions that he was the squadron mate of Kinnick when Kinnick died during training.

https://navy.togetherweserved.com/usn/servlet/tws.webapp.WebApp?cmd=ShadowBoxProfile&type=Person&ID=666667

50.194.143.113 (talk) 14:44, 13 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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