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Prostitution[edit]

(moved from the article)

Today every night outside of the Philharmonic Theater is a large, well organized group of about fifty prostitutes, charging $50 for a "quickie" or $100 for all night. A UN study found that these Philharmonic prostitutes were part of the top rung of the prostitution rings in Odessa.<ref name = "Health"> {{cite book | last =Garrett | first =Laurie | authorlink = | coauthors = | year =2001 | title =Betrayal of Trust: The Collapse of Global Public Health | publisher = | location = | id =ISBN 0786884401 }} p. 234, citing a UNAIDS progam conducted from [[Odessa State University]] by psychologist Valeri Kiunov.</ref>

I have no problem with WP containing such info per se but in this article it seems out of order. WP is not a tourist guide and there is a Wiki for that called Wikitravel.

We can encyclopedically discuss the issue within wiki as public health issue, human sexuality issue and many others but not as a tip for the tourists on where to go get a hooker in Odessa simply because encyclopedia is not the place where such info is saught for.

For now, I am moving this to talk, as a temporary solution. How about a quick stub to spin this off called, say, Prostitution in Odessa to be integrated to some other articles at some point, like Prostitution in Ukraine or smth?

Other suggestions are welcome. --Irpen 17:05, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I restored my edit and made this section a "trivia" section. I suspected that this section would be erased by someone, I just wasn't sure under what pretenses. It doesn't paint the Odessa Philharmonic Theater in a very flattering light.

I agree that this section is not "encyclopedic" per se, but as Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Wikipedia_is_not_a_paper_encyclopedia or m:Wiki_is_not_paper states, "Wikipedia is not a paper encyclopedia. This means that there is no practical limit to the number of topics we can cover other than verifiability and the other points presented on this page."

Not being a big orchestra fan myself, the large group of prostitues is what I remember most about the Philharmonica. Writing Odessa Philharmonic Theater was much more boring than writing Potomkin Stairs and Odessa Opera Theater, and this was the section I enjoyed writing the most. Lacking interesting tibids from history, I think this is the most interesting section of the article right now. It is also a real indication of the horrible poverty in Ukraine.

I moved this to a new "trivia" section, because in my experience, a lot of non-Encyclopedic information gets into wikpedia. It is often called the "trivia" section, which is very common on a lot of pages. Pinkerton detective agency#trivia immediatly springs to mind, but there are many, many other examples.

I was intially going to suggest that this section could be deleted if one other wikipedian agrees, but writing this and thinking about it, I think it would be best if we had a clear consensus (about 3-5 more people agreeing that it should be removed) before it is deleted. I have kind of grown attached to this UN study ;). If the overwhelming majority of people think it should go, and I am in the minority, I will gladly abide by majority rules, honestly.

I have no desire to write an article on Prostitution in Odessa, if anyone would like to start this article, and move it to this section, that would be great. But I would like to add a small blurb here about this, with a {{further|}} tag. I have really no interest myself in delving deeply into all of the ills of Ukraine. I write these Odessa,Ukraine articles to get away from the dark debating I do on politics, as a kind of vacation from real life. Writing Prostitution on Odessa would seem to much like writing a political wiki, or watching the evening news. Odessaukrain 21:08, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't really care much either. Personally, I don't care much about decensy and such. I just thought this is out of place here. You may want to see how the bestiality and other such stuff was resolved with Catherine the Great article. If you are interested, see its history, talk and the separate "Urban legends... " article. If you feel strongly about this one, let's keep it though. --Irpen 21:44, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

LOL I have heard about the Catherine the Great rumors, created by the British. If I am in a minority, I will delete it, but I think it is the most interesting part of this rather dry article now. I will look at the history now, thanks for the wonderful information, and all your hard work. Odessaukrain 03:10, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Great: Urban myths related to Catherine II of Russia I added a link to the trivia section, lets see how long it latest. Odessaukrain 03:16, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your complements but I reverted you in Catherine's article. Urban myths isn't the same as trivia. And the article is already conspicuously linked one sentence earlier. If you want to read up on how we arrived to the current state, see Talk:Catherine II of Russia/Archive01. --Irpen 03:28, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

no prob. Odessaukrain 06:30, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Two years later, I have removed it. Why the hell would an encyclopedia include a paragraph about a group of prostitutes outside a theater? Ostap 04:55, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wait, you mean to tell me at one point the article included the prices for "quickies"? I am ashamed to contribute to such an "encyclopedia". Ostap 05:52, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not confuse Philharmonics, with Actors' House[edit]

the house of prostitution is not a Philharmonic inself, fortunately. It takes place in so-called "actor's house", which is a small hall built in into the structure of philharmonic. when I was a child, it used to be a very cultural place, where I namely watched some shows, heard some concerts, etc. This place is very familiar to me. Now tehre is alos a Casino there.

Please do not confuse Philharmonics and the "House of Actors", and dont say bad things about the place which where I head a lot of classical concerts, while a child.

--GK tramrunner (talk) 02:39, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]