Talk:One Tree Hill (TV series)

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Former good article nomineeOne Tree Hill (TV series) was a Media and drama good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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Howdy fellow editors! I am an undergraduate student who wants to make some edits to this article to improve it for an editing course. I will be making these edits in my sandbox before implementing them, if anyone wants to check those out; I should have those on my sandbox by March 6th. I will be starting with the lead; there is info in it like the departure of Murray and Burton that appears again later in the article that I don't feel is necessary to include in the lead. I will also make some changes to the structure of the article, specifically the third section as it is so full of information that could be organized more efficiently. I would love feedback or comments! Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KaitTip (talk • contribs) 03:08, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

KaitTip, the Murray and Burton content is in the lead per WP:Lead. The lead is meant to summarize the article's most important or significant aspects. Also, if you haven't already, see WP:Student editing. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 03:41, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Flyer22 Reborn, I took your advice and read up on leads and student editing; I didn't change anything in the lead. However, I did some major reconstructing of the article sections over in my sandbox (I left out the sections from Reception onward because I did not choose to make edits to those). None of the actual content is changed; only the layout of the article. I modeled my edits on the Wiki article for House, as it is a featured article for a show that ran about the same length as One Tree Hill and had similar popularity. I chose to split the Production section into multiple sections, like one for Episodes and Themes separately, because it allowed the Production section to be less lengthy and cluttered, and more readable. I also moved the "series timeline" sub heading into the Series Overview section; I believe it makes more sense to be grouped with the overview of the seasons. Again, these are in my sandbox if you would like to take a look at them! I would really appreciate your feedback.KaitTip (talk) 22:56, 7 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
KaitTip, give me some time (like a few days) to look over your content and comment on it. Joeyconnick might also want to comment. On a side note: Since this page is on my watchlist, I prefer to not be WP:Pinged to it. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 13:00, 8 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the shoutout, Flyer. KaitTip, I haven't really had a chance to do more than glance at your proposed changes but I would recommend you (if you haven't already) take a look at MOS:TV. These are the conventions on article structure and style for TV-related topics, especially series articles, and I'm thinking your reorder may not match these guidelines, in which case you will very likely be reverted as some of the editors who work in this area are pretty committed to them. I'll try to take a closer look this weekend but no promises as I'm pretty busy of late. 🙂 —Joeyconnick (talk) 00:46, 9 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Flyer, I'm not sure if you've had a chance to look at the edits I made or not, but I need to implement them soon to make a deadline. If you want to comment on the edits, I won't be making them to the actual article until Thursday.🙂 Also, thank you for taking the time to do this! KaitTip (talk) 20:49, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
KaitTip, did you look at MOS:TV, like Joeyconnick suggested? The "Series overview" section should come first. I'm not sure about separating basketball and romance from the "Production" section. But I'm okay with them being separated from that section since MOS:TV shows "Background and production" coming before "Themes and analysis." In the article, the "Episode format" aspect is also an aspect of "Production," and I feel that we should keep it that way in the article. "Episodes" does not need its own section. You can see from Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Television#Plot section, that we usually keep the plot and episodes material together. Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Television#Parent, season, and episode article structure states that "if said section contains plot or episode summaries, it should ideally be as high up the page as possible, since Wikipedia uses plot information as context for understanding the real world information to follow in the article." This is why the "Series overview" section is first and we simply include a link to the List of One Tree Hill episodes article in that section. Also, the "Episodes" section in your version is pretty much just the "Episode format" section with material about crossovers, which aren't really One Tree Hill episodes.
As for your deadline, have you read WP:Student assignments? Students' edits are not always going to be accepted, especially not in their entirety. You could implement the "Themes" split, but I'm not sold on all of your other proposed changes. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 01:12, 22 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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