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Idiot's Guide

Every now and then, a record called "The Idiot's Guide" will show up for sale on eBay, claiming it has all the rare songs, like Ode to Clarissa. Are these bootlegs, or European, or what? 75.32.188.254 (talk) 00:01, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Unauthorised fan-assembled for sure. The discography in Queens of the Stone Age discography is authoritative; the only Queens record the band had no say in was Stone Age Complications, a collection of covers and b-sides put out by the records. "The Idiot's Guide" probably contains nothing you wouldn't find on filesharing networks. Skomorokh incite 00:36, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

rumored singles

Do we need to list all those "rumored singles" in the discography? where is the evidence that some of those are going to be the next singles? there have been several videos made, so - imho - we should only list the released or confirmed singles or at least stick to the ones where there is substantial evidence. what do you think? --Johnnyw 17:28, 2005 May 29 (UTC)

I just got a newsletter from universalrock.de, which says the new single In My Head will be released on June 27th. I created a new stub for the single and included the info. I believe it his HIGHLY unlikely, that there will be 3 singles coming after this one. If noone disagrees, I will remove the other "rumored" singles from the discography in a couple of days. --Johnnyw 17:41, 2005 May 31 (UTC)

Rated R or R

Anyone know whether the second album should be referred to as "R" or "Rated R"? I see both being used.. "Rated R" seems more common, but the album cover just has an "R" on it I think. --Stormie 06:06, May 8, 2004 (UTC)

In general, I've seen it refered to as Rated R. Also, considering it is the of the R rating symbol in America, I suppose that is the true name. --TheSock 03:42, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I've also seen it referred to as "Feel good hit of the summer" and "Restricted R", but as the their website says "Rated R", we can leave it as it is now called, in my opinion. I'll look for imagines we can put here and ask the label for their agree. --Pechosko 01:11, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
"QUEENS OF THE STONE AGE FEEL GOOD HIT OF THE SUMMER" is printed on one side of the inlay, while "QUEENS OF THE STONE AGE R" is on the other. Interestingly enough, the MC is labeled "RESTRICTED". But since the official homepage calls the album "Rated R" I am strongly in favor of naming the album "Rated R" instead of "R" --Johnnyw 14:27, 09 Apr 2005 (GMT+1)

history

I replaced "biography" with "history" according to other band entries, like Led Zeppelin or SOAD.. --Johnnyw 21:59, 2005 May 18 (UTC)


the biography sounds goofy.change it back


Any note about them on SNL with Will Ferrell's character Gene Frenkle playing the wood block? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_Frenkle

24.21.146.178 18:03, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

removed

Their best KROQ hits are "No One Knows" and "Lost Art Of Keeping A Secret".

Tokerboy

section titles

These section titles are very vague and uninformative. This isn't some fanpage for QOTSA, it should be an informational resource... --65.165.138.230 03:41, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The section titles are references to song titles or lyrics from the according period. This does not make the article s.th. like a "fanpage for QOTSA", since the information included ist informative and in accordance to NPOV. But I follow your argument, that these references are not obvious to anyone but QOTSA insiders. Any suggestions on how to improve the understandability? --Johnnyw 12:23, 2005 Jun 17 (UTC)

The Kid

Could somebody create an article for The Kid, fix the link and add a link to it at The Kid? Currently it goes to an disambiguation and I don't know who the heck this is. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 20:17, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

In the article, someone replaced him with "Van Conner". I removed it, since I couldnt find a Van Conner anywhere. But here is a reference to "The Kid", which is why I'll reinsert him.. article link--Johnnyw 15:07, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

His name is Van Conner. Why does his nickname have to be here when no other member's nickname is noted? Burnthewitch 00:59, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Band Picture

Can we please get a better band picture?? The one from the Berlin Concert is not exactly illuminating!

Have anything in mind that's freely licensed, or that you own? -Harmil 14:25, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
I'd welcome any improvement over the one I took.. it's a shot done with my mobile phone.. but since I already looked in vain for a free replacement, I thought it would have to do the job.. --Johnnyw 16:12, July 22, 2005 (UTC)

Is there any pictures of the band in any of their album inserts? These can make great band pictures for wikipedia, and can be used under the {{promophoto}} licence. -- Reaper X 21:57, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Dave Grohl

Grohl was never meant to be a permanent member. Therefore, saying that he was replaced it not necessarily correct.

Don't know about that. He wasn't meant to be permanent, but his face appears on the back cover of SftD along with Josh's, Nick's and Mark's, which makes it seem like his position in the band was pretty official. Stratpod 03:11, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Musical Equipment

I don't know what the correct answer is, but there's a typographical inconsistency in this section. The first line says "can be seen using both an Ovation GP while playing live", but only lists one thing. Is 'both' a typo?

probably. just fix it. and remember to sign your name please - Bagel7 04:01, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Musical Equipment

What keyboard does Natasha Shneider use? She usually has two; a large one that looks slightly like a Fender Rhodes and a smaller one, both tilted down, away from her.

Nine Inch Nails

Shouldn't it be mentioned somewhere in the article that they supported NIN on their [9_05 - 12_05]tour? Dess 05:20, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Who Sings What?

Is Josh Homme the only main vocalist on all songs? The article should describe the other bandmembers as doing "backing vocals" if so.

Josh Homme isn't the only vocalist. Mark Lanegan, amongst others, sings/has sung in the past. Philbradley 04:07, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Nick Olivieri has, too. Stratpod 03:12, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

What About Saw II

Is it ok if i start a new section called Soundtracks and talk about what soundtracks, like Saw II, QOTSA have been on? - Bagel7 04:04, 8 May 2006 (UTC)


Josh vs. Metallica

This is hardly a feud & not worth mentioning in the article. Josh said in an interview roughly three months ago–once–that he felt like Metallica had "taken a lot of inspiration" (paraphrase) from Kyuss for the Load albums. (Not St. Anger.) Which is true & has been stated by Hetfield & Hammett in interviews; the difference is that Josh felt like he had been ripped off, but he hasn't gone on a rant about this, nor have James & Kirk responded. Wangoed 13:39, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Guitar forum thread

The forum thread on QotSA equipment is actually still available at this address. Should someone change the note at the bottom?

Ok, I've changed it. --kollision 16:51, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
Is that gear listing even right? When I saw QOSTA during the Lullabies tour Josh definatly used the Epiphone dot during the show. I also seem to recall a guitar world issue where he refused to identify his gear because it was "his secret". Granted I can't cit either of those claims, but I'm still not sure how accurate this list is. --66.222.240.194 03:56, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
Nowadays he pretty much exclusively uses Matons. The newer gear thread on the QotSA forum is here. -smb

Kyuss wanted to be named Anus??

Um... never heard this before... Kyuss' original name was Sons of Kyuss, Which I believe was takes from the name of a D&D diety (not sure)I'm taking that part out unless someone can get a citation. -Stu

As a Kyuss obsessive I've never heard that. The guys did make up a lot of stories on how the name was arrived at (for a while they claimed it stood for Kicking Your Ugly Saggy Scrotum) so this could be one of those.



line up

the way the line up is presented now makes people think that Josh plays everything on the records and has a band live. That isn´t right.

RE: It pretty much is. Without Nick, Josh pretty much IS Queens, like Trent Reznor IS Nine Inch Nails and Conor Oberst IS Bright Eyes.

RE: He doesn´t play everything on the records.

Alain ain't in qotsa any more. Look at their myspace page extract:

'THE PLAYERS The Cock: Josh The Quack: Troy the pretty The Ass: Joey The Pig: new guy'

Alain ain't their, so he must be deleted from 'current members'.

Other Recordings

What about adding their appearance on the Ozzfest Second stage live 2001 cd to the other recordings section, Ode to Clarissa is on there.

Trivia

Someone really needs to re-write this sentence: During the Rock in Rio 2001 show, the bassist Nick Oliveri was arrested for up to the stage naked and only with a bass guitar. MxAesir 14:31, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Jesse F. Keeler

He was expected to be recording with the band but is now known to be unavailable during the next few weeks when the band will be in the studio. He will therefore not be on any QotSA records any time soon.

Band

I was thinking, since there is only one person right now, can this really be called a band? Maybe the article should say "was a band," since technically a band is three or more people. Gopherbassist 01:32, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

RE: how is it not a band? two of the members have played in the band for 4 years now!

Genre

I've gotten sick of people writing 'Stoner Metal' and 'Alternative Metal'. And for those of you quoting the allmusic guide as your source, 'stoner metal' and 'alternative metal' are there styles, not there genre. There genre, according to the allmusic guide, is Rock. So, if we're goanna be using allmusic gjuide as a source, you're mistaken. So stop editing in anything but Rock.


Right, let's leave it at Rock and Alternative Rock, after all that's the genres the band have written on their myspace page.

http://www.myspace.com/queensofthestoneage

So I now ask any mods/ admins to put some sort of block on editing the genre. It's a pain to see 'alternative metal' and heavy metal' there because it makes queens look like some sort of goth band, which they ain't.


User:Peter Warren has flipped them over to punk twice now, don't feel like getting into a revert war about this, but what gives? MKV 00:54, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

FFS, is this still being actively edited? Just pick a genre and stick with it. MKV 05:42, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

QOTSA is Rock, Hard Rock if you want to be fancy. End of story. Stop with these bullshit "Stoner Rock" lables, the band has said in the past it dislikes it.

Band has absolutely no influence on how their encyclopedia article looks. BabuBhatt 15:59, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
I don't care what label we pick just stick with one of them. It's still being edited repeatedly. MKV 00:07, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
BabuBhatt, if the band hates the label, it's obviously not their genre.-- 03:58, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm sick of this. It's mainly the "genre edit wars" on this page, Marilyn Manson (band) and Nirvana (band) that has prompted me to make a proposal to try and quell them.
This proposal can be found at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Musicians#Genre wars and the distinguishing of genres and styles. I would appreciate feedback on this proposal. I am going to push hard for this proposal to be put into action, and I appreciate any supporters in helping me do so.
I used this page as an example in my proposal, which I made in my sandbox, but I'm going to make it a trial here, and integrate it into the article now, and see what happens.
The All Music Guide categorises QOTSA as part of the rock genre, but their styles include hard rock, heavy metal, industrial metal and stoner metal. It would only make sense, as rock is a general category, and as the {{RockBox}} and other templates point out, hard rock is a subgenre, heavy metal is a derivative form, industrial metal is a fusion genre of heavy metal, etc. So I will put that into the article and see what happens. If you strongly disagree with this and want to add/remove a style, it can be changed as long as there is consensus here. -- Reaper X 01:11, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

They aren't hard rock or stoner rock, they're just rock. Please stop feeding people wrong information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.97.17.146 (talk • contribs)
"Rock" is way too generic and it doesn't correctly define who they are. QotSA is stoner rock/metal, just like All music says [1] and all of the album articles here on wikipedia. dposse 21:35, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
I agree, there are millions of bands out there that sound completely different, you can't just label them all as "rock" and "alt rock". I don't want to go to a store and accidentally buy Pearl Jam because Wikipedia says it's in the same genre as Queens of the Stone Age. Why don't we call it desert rock? That's what I've always called Kyuss, Queens, Fu Manchu and Monster Magnet. All these bands have a similar sound/roots, hard rock just encompasses too much.Paige Master 07:03, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
I've added multiple sources, per WP:A, that state that QotSA is Stoner rock, Hard Rock, and Alternative metal. If you can find any sources that list them as "Desert rock", then go ahead and add it to the list. dposse 21:07, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

They are a mix between hard rock and alternative rock with a little influence of the stoner rock. Many people defined them like "stoner rock", but they aren't that. Please, listen to stoner rock/metal bands like Spiritual beggars, kyuss, pentagram, black sabbath (in some songs), Fu Manchu, Slo Burn... That is stoner, a psychedelic, slow and down pitched kind of rock. ¿Queens of the Stone Age play that kind of music? Well, maybe in 1998, but they are too alternative now.

Someone points out that people keep on discussing the genre thing - and what do people do? Keep on discussing the genre thing, not seeing the big picture or not aware that their opinions or listening experiences are of no use to the encyclopaedia itself. Cigsandalcohol 21:31, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

ive heard the term desert rock being used for this band before Vanhalenrulesforever (talk) 17:48, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Alain Johannes

Alain Johannes is still in QOTSA, to whoever keeps putting him under former band members. He played with them last Monday: http://forum.rekordsrekords.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=35611 <-- has pictures

Being in a band and playing with them is not the same thing. Stratpod 03:16, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Would you care to give your definition? As far as is known, Alain is still a performing and recording member of QotSA. It is speculated that he will leave the band to concentrate on Eleven but nothing has been said by Interscope, RekordsRekords, Homme, Johannes or any other official source. There has been no other bassist or guitarist announced or even hinted at (Jesse Keeler aside) and so there is no basis for removing Johannes as a Queen. --*smb 02:07, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Alain does not feature in the album trailer on [qotsa.com], nor any of the 'Ask the Band' videos unlike the three stable members Homme, Castillo and Van Leeuwen. I think this, along with the fact that Jesse F. Keeler was scheduled to be the bassist on the album, and the show mentined here is from November 2006, suggests that Johannes is not viewed as a permanent/stable member of the band. Unless there are further objections, I will be bold and remove him.Skomorokh 13:31, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

I am re-removing Alain. He is not in ask the band. He is out.

Until otherwise confirmed by the band, Alain is still a member. Doesn't matter if he was in the trailer or not, he still contributed to the upcoming album according to Dave Catching and a replacement has yet to be named.

If you can provide a citation for the Catching reference it would resolve this issue to most editor's satisfaction I think. can you?scumrock 20:10, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Agreed. 14:33, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Hold your horses ladies, Alain is in the new trailer - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bWzvlFyS_Y&mode=related&search=. Bassist mystery solved. red157 17:32, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

He's not playing the bass in the video, though. Just a plain ole electric guitar. He's obviously contributing to the band, but it looks like not with the bass. CerpinTaxt, 6 March 2007

Alain's credited in the article as guitar/bass/vocals, so whether or not he is "the" bassist is not hugely important. He is a current member in light of this new information. Van Leeuwen isn't in the video though, I will move swiftly to delete him.
...Just kidding Troy. Skomorokh 20:36, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

He's a contributer, yes, but a bassist, we're not sure. He plays guitar in the video. If you look closely, Josh himself plays bass. Ba-zing.

We won't find out who played bass on the album until the liner notes are released, and we won't know who the touring bassist is until they play their first show. So I'm going to edit it to reflect that. CerpinTaxt 18:54, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Well spoken. I removed your line about the current bassist not being announced though - as things stand, Johannes is as much a member as Van Leeuwen and Castillo i.e. member of the last known live line-up and featured in the teaser vids. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Skomorokh (talk • contribs) 20:49, 13 March 2007 (UTC).

Alain is clearly playing bass in the latest clip. It has four strings and it produces bass sounds. Burnthewitch 02:09, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Josh was playing guitar, Troy playing keyboards, Joey playing drums and Alain was on bass. Watch the video again... as most seem to have bad eye sight. red157 08:19, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Update: Drownedinsound.com claims Michael Shuman (of Wires On Fire) is the new bassist. [2]

I'm inclined to leave Alain on the members list pending confirmation, as the website cites only its "super ear-to-the-ground indie-rock sources", so it remains somewhat speculative, but I'm going to add the info in the EV section.Skomorokh 19:29, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Checking out the Wires On Fire myspace page, they have connections with Johannes and Schneider, have toured with DFA79, and are signed to Buddyhead Records (owned by Aaron North who has played with QOTSA live, and Jeordie White of The Desert Sessions and Goon Moon). This looks legit.Skomorokh 19:47, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Could be for the tour. Alan is still the most likely candidate for the album. Change once there's conformation. red157 20:21, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Aye, the recording was finished before this announcement by most accounts, and Alain's in the teasers. I assume "current members" is meant to refer to the touring band though? Hence Lanegan and Shneider's omissions?Skomorokh 21:09, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, refers to actual performing members. Though this is never definate as old members of the band often come back for gigs, Dave Catching and Mark being examples of this. Find out the touring lineup soon enough, hopefully. red157 22:58, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Update: The Drowned in Sound link is no longer working. The only other references [3] [4] cite unnamed "various online sources" for the info. I'm taking the mention out of the article until a reliable source re-emerges.Skomorokh 21:05, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Update: Johannes has joined Spinnerette[5]

<speculation>Looks like he's not in Queens' long term plans</speculation>Skomorokh 15:33, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Related Bands

I don't particularly know why this section is needed - the basics seem to be covered in the box at the bottom and if you want to know more about the projects of a particular Queen you can look them up here. I certainly don't see any need for the inclusion of Tenacious D (who are a joke band rather than a similar band in the hard rock vein) and Nirvana, so I'm taking them out. Does anyone have any sensible objections to just scrapping this section? A comprehensive list of side-projects would be much more useful and less subjective.--*smb 19:04, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Well I can see the rationale between thing such as Kyuss, The Desert Sessions (which isnt a band, its a project), A Perfect Circle etc. But I don't like a "Related Bands" section. I'm goin to sift through the list, make some removals, and rename it as a "See also" section, for any bands and other things that directly relate to QOTSA. -- Reaper X 20:02, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Oh, so ther was a "See also section. Anyway, I transfered ___ - because _____:

Any corrections/additions/removals? -- Reaper X 20:11, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

PJ Harvey isn't Josh Homme's girlfriend (Homme is married to Brody Dalle) - she appeared on the latest Desert Sessions record. Kyuss is the former band of Josh Homme as well as former Queens Nick Oliveri and Alfredo Hernandez. Dave Catching's current band is called Yellow #5. The thing is each member and former member has their own projects, but these can all be accessed from the page of that particular musician. What about making it a straightforward list of QotSA side-projects and listing which Queen each one relates to? *smb 09:25, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

New Record

These supposed track names for the new album appear to be unsourced and there are no results in Google that have this information. They were added here by an unregistered user. Unless someone can find a verifiable source for these rumours then they will be removed. *smb 19:13, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Also, I'm not sure that "leaked track names" count as something credible enough to go in the Wiki. This is not a rumors site. -christian

I've removed them - I see no reason to think this is genuine. There isn't even the name of the radio station that supposedly leaked them and I haven't heard this anywhere else. *smb 09:34, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

I will remove any unsourced information added here regarding the new record. If there's any more of this rubbish added we should get this page protected until the release of the next record. *smb 21:02, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Alain is seen playing bass in the latest clip. Can you stop removing that. It is not a guitar. Thank you. Burnthewitch 02:06, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Foo Fighters?

I wouldn't say the Foo Fighters are much of an associated act, being their only connection is frontman Dave Grohl's contribs on Deaf. This seems to be a repetitive issue. Any thoughts? Editor19841 (talk) 23:19, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Apart from Josh appearing on In Your Honour and Queens often performing at the same shows, I don't see anything other associations. I think it should be removed unless there are objections. Skomorokh 23:30, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Please feel free to remove it. red157 04:21, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

I've removed A Perfect Circle and Screaming Trees for the same reason.--Skomorokh 01:05, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

New Single TBA?

Someone has added a new Queens single to the discography, it's called TBA. I'm just wondering, where did you find that information? MosquitoNL 16:40, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I didn't add it, but TBA stands for To Be Announced. As in the single is upcoming, but nobody knows the title. red157 19:50, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
LOL! must be getting bleedin' thick XD thanks MosquitoNL 20:30, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Era Vulgaris touring info

Does info on which festivals QOTSA will be playing at belong in the article? If so, they've just confirmed a few new ones on qotsa.com if someone wants to go to the hassle of adding them. If not, the Southside etc. information oughta be deleted. Anyone au fait with the policy on this? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Skomorokh (talk • contribs) 21:22, 15 March 2007 (UTC).

I wouldn't say touring info is important enough to go on QOTSA's or the Era Vulgaris pages. red157 21:32, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
I do find it important to mention the Queens are going to tour with their new songs, do you? MosquitoNL 00:39, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
not particularly; the band always tours albums, previous tours aren't comprehensively mentioned in the other album sections, and the Era Vulgaris section is long enough as is. If you feel it should be mentioned, perhaps a short line like "the band have been confirmed to tour in support of Era Vulgaris in Summer 2007" after the release date is mentioned.Skomorokh 00:44, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

History section: Chronological or topical order?

I've been wrestling with making the Era Vulgaris section more readable. At present it still reads as a blow-by-blow account of websites and articles reporting on the new album, while topically it could quite easily be broken down into three areas: band membership, teaser vids and expected nature of the music. Any suggestions for improving the section? Skomorokh 04:18, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Good idea. It's full of pointless info as well. It should look more like the previous album sections. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Red157 (talk • contribs) 11:30, 16 March 2007 (UTC).
I've made a first pass at it. The Johannes/Keeler/Oliveri bassist speculation is grouped together, as are the NME/Billboard/Homme descriptions of the album. What info do you think is pointless/belongs on the album article and what ought to stay? Skomorokh 12:46, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
By comparing the Era Vulgaris section to the sections of the previous albums it seems this one has too much. It's above all describing the band during this period, yeah so much is focused on the content of Era Vulgaris, much of that could be limited to the albums own page. You seem to know more about what deserves to be on the page, so I'll go with your judgement. red157 14:10, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
Ok, I've cut it down some more, but I'm reticent to remove the hearing info (as it gives insight into the musical direction of the band), the Keeler speculation or any of the Homme quotes.Skomorokh

Discography

While I appreciate that Queens of the Stone Age discography is way too long to be included in this article, I think it ought to include at least info on the studio albums. Thoughts?Skomorokh 16:06, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean. I'm having a stupid day. red157 21:37, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
I think I know what he means. I'll add a selected discography similar to the one for The Smashing Pumpkins, which is a featured article. -- Reaper X 23:02, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Why thank you, you are a resourceful fellow.Skomorokh 23:52, 20 March 2007 (UTC)


Vandalism?

I'm not sure if this is vandalism or not, but don't you think that if it can't be cited, it should be taken out for now?

In 2001, Homme stated that he named the band 'Queens of the Stone Age' partly to spite the "redneck, monster truck-driving assholes" that comprised most Kyuss fans, and that "It would be great to have those redneck, motherfucker assholes have to utter the word 'Queens'" to describe the new band, ultimately keeping those "morons" away from the band's shows.

Laytonsmith14 06:55, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Zero unique google hits, regretfully almost certainly vandalism.Skomorokh 18:39, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

I found a reputable source with the same delicious line of thought: "The only element of the audience I want to get rid of is the shirtless, sweaty, maxi-mullet jock dudes", so I've restored it to the article.--Skomorokh 01:07, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

New Bass Player

Queens Of The Stone Age have a new bass player. Dude happens to be Mike from Wires On Fire… who just so happen to be on a little record label called Buddyhead. Maybe you’ve heard of it. Ya might wanna check it out. Buy their records so we can buy cool shit. Queens’ new album is KILLER, and should be out somewhat soon. They’re playin’ festivals all over the place soon, and doin’ all kinds of COOL SHIT, so check it out. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.35.211.8 (talk) 04:48, 9 April 2007 (UTC).

Trivia?

Who else thinks this page needs trivia? My memory is terrible but it had one once didn't it, and was probably liquidated into the rest. Just a section for things not worth going in the rest of the article. For example, the band are Arctic Monkeys favourite, and their latest album is directly influenced by QOTSA. Anyone else know any 'famous' fans of the band? red157 20:23, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Trivia sections are tacky, and it is an official policy to avoid trivia. -- Reaper X 21:00, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
I never knew about that policy. Ah well, there goes that idea.red157 12:11, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Mehmehmehmehmeh

so why cant i add news about a full new track that came online? there's also a notion about the little teaser videos in the Era Vulgaris part, why is a full track out of the line?! hell, why dont you just remove all the information and redirect it to the Era Vulgaris article if i cant even add this ffs. go apply for admin or something MosquitoNL 22:06, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Because you don't see anything about the release of individual songs for short periods of time on any other of the pieces about the albums. Information such as tracklists and individual track info belongs on the Era Vulgaris page, and any eventual pages for the individual tracks. In other words, the new song being on the main site for 24 hours isn't big enough news in the history of Queens of the Stone Age. And I wasn't even the one who removed it, just thinking why it was removed. The band videos were important as that sort of promotion was new for them and revealed who played in the studio - which hadn't been known. red157 22:24, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
what red said. Skomorokh 16:23, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

in my view, this Era Vulgaris bit as it is now is just temporarily, after the album comes out we can remove it all and start talking about the album itself. but since it didn't come out yet, why don't we just add all the info we have about it, to keep fans like me informed. again, if you think this is meant for the Era Vulgaris article, why not just remove this thing? MosquitoNL 07:32, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Check out Wikipedia:The world will not end tomorrow. -- Reaper X 02:55, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Two new members

Apologies but the last two edits were by me. http://www.uncut.co.uk/news/uncut/news/9737 - Check here for new members and single info. red157 20:32, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

new bass player: Michael Shuman new keyboardplayer: Dean Fertita Burnthewitch 12:30, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Images

Who else thinks it would be worth swapping the performance image from 2005 with the Lullabies cover? Possibly adding another image of the band to a section with more space, the early career section for example. red157 21:05, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

I'd say: remove as many copyrighted images (e.g. album covers) as possible and replace them with free alternatives as per Wikipedia:Non-free content. Doesn't really make sense to add more copyrighted material which have to be removed as the article progresses towards GA or FA... --Johnnyw talk 21:14, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
JW speaks the truth. Using an album image as the main picture is a copyvio anyway, album covers can only be used to illustrate the albums themselves. I'm not sure on the promo pictures though. I was considering using one of the pictures from the events section at qotsa.com but I'm unsure of the fair use rationale. Skomorokh 21:59, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
Ah, it make sense that album covers would be opposed due to copyright. Just thought there should be all of them on the main page or none of them, odd to have the rest but a performance for the Lullabies section. red157 07:32, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, I misunderstood what you were saying. I've added the lullabies cover for the time being until the copyright situaiton is cleared up, moved the performance image to the lineup section rather than removing it, and added one of Oliveri. The article is very short on free images, so if anyone knows of a source - fan community or whatever, it would really help. Skomorokh incite 17:52, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
Yep, that's what I was thinking of, thanks. I guess the only future image change now is when we get a decent photoshoot of the new lineup for the main pic. red157 20:07, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

to appear in guitar hero 3

http://kotaku.com/gaming/give-the-mule-what-he-wants/queens-to-feature-in-ghiii-rock-band-257661.php

It's known. red157 18:14, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Cruft

It seems to me that this article is a bit crufty. Firstly, I think the infobox is a little too loaded, and we should cut a few of the bands that are in the associated acts section (even though I moved some from the "See also" section into there). We should just cut it down to a few main ones. Secondly, I think we need to eliminate the listing of the former members from the infobox, it's fully documented in the Former members section near the lower end of the article. And lastly, I think the Studio contributors section is nice, but maybe moved somewhere else, such as the Queens of the Stone Age discography. Thoughts? -- Reaper X 04:15, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Maybe the Former members section in the infobox could be made into a 'See below' wikilink ([[#Former members|See below]]). And I think the Studio contributors section should be split and moved to its own section in the separate album/EP articles (like what's already in the articles for the first three albums). - kollision 23:44, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

I have gone ahead and followed through with my latter two suggestions after no other feedback. kollision, I have used your idea with the former members too, thanks. -- Reaper X 23:55, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

The Plastic Turks

The band used to be known as The Plastic Turks for a very brief period of time before the Gamma Ray session. (rtsp://ra.universal-music-group.com/pig/queens_of_the_stoneage/v/qotsa_sickaltern.rm?start=0).

While you may think it's just a post with no definite base, Blank is known to know/have known the band very well, and has access to tracks which, in some cases, no-one knew even existed. I think he can count as a basis for the older name being mentioned in the article.

84.70.114.164 16:56, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

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Genre

i've seen the genre change a couple of times, how about we keep it as 'Rock'. i'm sure everybody will agree on that

Hard Rock as it's... hard. red157 18:38, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Anyone have a free use image of the Q Sperm Logo? I noticed other band's wiki articles have band logos on them (e.g. Metallica). StevePrutz 13:52, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject

There are a couple of people who are pretty dedicated to cleaning up and improving Queen's related articles. So wouldn't it be a good idea to start a wikiproject similar to Wikipedia:WikiProject Red Hot Chili Peppers and Wikipedia:WikiProject Green Day in order to recruit new users and focus efforts? red157 14:05, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

As an alternative, Qotsa articles could just become part of the Wikipedia:WikiProject_Hard_Rock. Just a suggestion due remove the work that would be needed to give birth to a new wikiproject. Nevertheless, I'd probably join.. (had thought about creating one for Tool some time ago..) Johnnyw talk 09:46, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
It would be quite a bit of work to create a Wikiproject and something I'm sure quite a few people (myself included) wouldn't have time for. Ah well, one can dream. red157 10:42, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

GA

How the hell is this not a Good Article yet? Granted it's not as informative as The White Stripes, but the quality of writing is noticeably better. red157 19:12, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

"Former members"

Given the fluid nature of the QOTSA membership, is it really appropriate to have people like Alain Johannes (recorded and performed on last 3 albums) and Mark Lanegan (played on and performed live for Era Vulgaris) to be listed as "former members", and Chris Goss (performed live for Lullabies, studio for EV) not to be listed as a member at all? QOTSA has never been a band with fixed member-periods (Billy Gibbons, Dave Catching, Nick Lucero anyone?), but rather a revolving door musical ensemble. I suggest altering the Former Members section to reflect this instead of giving the impression that those such as Lanegan, listed as 2001-2005 have "left" the "band". Instead, the touring members in the infobox could stay, as these are relatively stable, and the others could be listed in a Contributors section with their recording and touring contributions over the different eras of the band noted for each. As it stands, this section is misinformative by design. Skomorokh incite 23:54, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

I politely allow you to do so. Yours sincerely, MosquitoNL 13:42, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
I cordially accept your most gracious and well-spoken invitation. Skomorokh incite 00:56, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
I think you're right on the spot! I'd also propose to remove the band names (in parentheses) behind the contributors, it tends to get a little wild once in a while.. Johnnyw talk 14:44, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
Cool, I made a start at it but the section still needs a layout. Ideally, each performer would have all their contributions by type (album, touring, misc. appearances), instrument(s) and era listed but I'm at a loss as to how this might be done without things getting convoluted. Removing the band names is a good start, and I don't think individual instruments per appearance need mentioning (i.e. Chris Goss (bass on Queens of the Stone Age, guitar on Late Night with Conan O' Brien, keyboards onEra Vulgaris etc.), nor even full alb

um names (QotSA, R, SftD, LtP, EV should be fine, with an explanation at the start) but mentioning touring concisely and informatively still looks like a challenge. Queens membership is slightly more stable than The Desert Sessions, but even without touring info that page is taken up mostly with the contributors section. Any ideas? Skomorokh incite 00:56, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

An anonymous IP just edited the new section, removing Goss because he is only a studio contributor, and saying that studio contributors should be listed in the Queens of the Stone Age discography article. I reverted it for the time being as logically all contributors should be in the Contributors section. If we were to keep the section of this album for live performers and the Discography article for studio contributors, it could save a lot of hassle. On the other hand, even with a disclaimer to the effect of "Qotsa isn't really a band more of a revolving door...etc.", the section could revert to being as misleading as before i.e. Lanegan "leaving" in 2005, Johannes "leaving" in 2006 and so on. Any opinions?
For the time being, I'll go ahead with the original plan.
I think all live performers (Which would include Goss as he has performed live and contributed enough to have been considered a major contibutor) should be on the QOTSA page as mentioned previously, with all albums they've contributed to mentioned as well. But there are many other contributors like Billy Gibbons who've performed live and on studio albums but not enough to be considered major and thus should remain on the discography. It's all subjectice I guess. red157 19:57, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Firstly, thanks for correcting my mistakes on the album contributions. I think we have consensus now that anyone who's toured or has made more than a guest appearance on an album deserves mention, as you say. As for the marginal contributors, it is perhaps subjective, so I say let's err on the side of being to inclusive, too comprehensive. That way, the maximum info is included and if the article gets too long, it can be split, summarised or moved elsewhere. Is there a better verifiable source than All Music for contributions? Skomorokh incite 01:54, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
Wouldn't it have made a lot more sense to defer to the list printed in the DVD liner notes? Just add the rhythm section from Beaver and there's no more dispute about what constitutes a former member unless someone wants to take it up with Josh.
Interesting formatting in this revision but it fails to overcome the pitfalls in designating someone a "member" not to mention the unsourceability of "official member". Skomorokh incite 19:46, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

At the bottom of Era Vulgaris

I added some info about the band recording MORE new material. I added the link also to verify this. Here is the link again http://www.nme.com/news/queens-of-the-stone-age/29795

Can someone make it a new section (like an upcoming album section)?

Thanks!

RetroToysRUs 03:28, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your edit, this is a good addition to the article. It's a little speculative for now though, so I think it should remain appended to the Era Vulgaris section. The sections that use album titles aren't necessarily about the albums, they just make convenient dividers of the band's history. By the way, you can make new sections with equal signs as follows: === Subsection name === Skomorokh incite 00:20, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

I think someone has removed the information, why has this happened?

RetroToysRUs 03:28, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

The end of the Era Vulgaris section states the following: In July 2007, Van Leeuwen stated the band had written new material, although it was "still in its infancy".[31]. Is this wrong or incomplete? Skomorokh incite 03:32, 26 July 2007 (UTC)



Nope thats fine, thats what it says on the link, so its fine. But it disappeared and now its back, someone removed the information from there... Anyway cool.

RetroToysRUs 20:09, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Style and Songwriting section

This page is completely lacking a specific section regarding the styles of the band (Revolving line-up, guests), Musical influences (As there are many) and the legacy of QOTSA. Arctic Monkeys, The Mexicolas and a number of other bands cite Queens as a direct influence on their music. Just think without those things, this article will never reach GA status like The White Stripes and Radiohead. red157 13:58, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

You don't need a specific section for style and influences to get the article to GA status; you just need that information in the article, period. The closer you get to FA status, however, the more it's recommended and possibly necessary. WesleyDodds 06:31, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

live performances

It has become a common staple at performances for the lead singer to stop playing until a person in the audience is removed. Every time the disruptive individual is a male who is pushing and physically harming women in the audience. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.186.131.67 (talk) 13:47, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Grohl = backing vocals

What did he actually sing on? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.218.232.4 (talk) 12:36, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Possible new album...

Ok, so after the news of a possible 10 track EP was denied by the record company, Josh Homme has since stated that if possible, he'd be up for bringing out a new album.

Source:

http://ultimate-guitar.com/news/upcoming_releases/josh_homme_talks_new_qotsa_album.html

If someone can look at that, and perhaps add a section under Era Vulgaris, or somewhere with some information on a new album etc. that'd be great!

Thanks.

88.107.245.157 02:26, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

If you agree a source listing QOTSA as various metal genres is a bad source...

Please speak out here [6]. Lots of people are listing this site as a source for various articles, but time and time again it gives invalid information. Please weigh in to make sure wikipedia does not get filled with false information.Hoponpop69 (talk) 04:52, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 17:06, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Qotsa cartoon movie!

Would someone please input about the Qotsa cartoon movie that Josh Homme and Liam Lynch have talked about and have got a designer involved? And about the thing 2 above...the new album, please do that also? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.107.253.213 (talk) 00:58, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Infobox

Why is it all screwed up like that? Zazaban (talk) 05:59, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

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