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The picture on this page is horrendously underlit. --Crucible Guardian 02:58, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

It is; my apologies. If anyone wants to photoshop it and relabel it as "computer-enhanced", they're welcome to. jdb ❋ (talk) 09:39, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

AFAIK, this really isn't called roof and tunnel hacking, at least, by most urban explorers. Perhaps we could rename it to a more suitable name? -- BMIComp (talk, HOWS MY DRIVING) 16:53, 20 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It's called roof and tunnel hacking or just hacking at MIT and Wellesley; I don't know about elsewhere. There's already a more general page on urban exploration. -- xavid

Personal Hazards[edit]

Can anyone shed light on the demise of MIT alum Jack Link? ISTR his body was found under mysterious circumstances in the 1990's that may have been related to roof hacking. Assuming I recall correctly, this would be worthy of inclusion in the Roof and tunnel hacking#Personal hazards section. <>< tbc 05:39, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

"An unpleasant death can occur very quickly if a tunnel explorer opens a steam valve or damages a steam pipe." This is oddly worded and I am going to reword it.

Article Neutrality[edit]

My perspective may be a little skewed since I've been exposed almost exclusively to MIT hacking, but it seems like this article has a very anti-hacking slant. Granted, it may be dangerous at times, but at this school at least it's an integral part of the culture and generally looked upon positively, even by many of the faculty. One solution might be to just make separate articles for hacking at different schools. Again, I'm probably biased, but at least hacking at MIT warrants its own article just because of its unique character, the wealth of information on the subject aside. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nightwork:_A_History_of_Hacks_and_Pranks_at_MIT and the external links on that page. I'm not a hacker myself, so it would probably be a good idea to get an actual hacker involved in revising this. 18.34.7.106 02:40, 7 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nevermind, just found that very same article. 18.202.1.74 03:50, 7 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm reording this article so we don't lead with the dangers. To me it read like that was the most important part so we wrote it so we led with that, but I mean, really, why would you talk about consequences before explaining what it is you are talking about? Every name is taken12345 04:50, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm wondering if anyone has any further desire to fix this article? It really reads like a condescending college administrator talking down to a first-year (I remember them well-- it was only 7 years ago for me!) and it /really/ annoys me! I'm not going to the trouble of rewriting this if it's just going to end up rolled-back, however. Opinions? 21:07, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Ceiling Hacks[edit]

Has anyone heard of practice of going up into Dropped ceilings as a type of roof/tunnel hacking, it shares may aspects of them. Drop ceilings with a large amount of space (2 feet or more) between the roof (or the bottom of an floor) and the acoustic tiles can be used as a path or enterance to rooms adjacent to the the one a vadder would be in. This works with most thin walls and room dividers, but not for areas where firewalls or Compartmentalization prevent access.

This is made clearer in the article on compartmentalization:

"The idea is to subdivide a structure into "fire compartments", which may contain single or multiple rooms for the purpose of limiting the spread of fire..."

This technique can be used to access rooms and offices that are otherwise inaccessable because of walls.

Ps. Please don't delete my comments. ^^

If you sign your comments, they may not be deleted. SpigotMap 08:34, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Opps... well here's my signing thing; 72.146.183.43 23:06, 21 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Columbia[edit]

For those interested in tunneling, you may want to comment at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Columbia University tunnels. Wl219 08:33, 9 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Shameful piece of original research[edit]

My God, I've yet to read an article that is so blatantly filled with original research. Setting aside some of the very serious dubious claims (neither microwave transmissions nor microwave power transmissions are strong enough to cause any adverse affects in humans), it reads like some sort of nerd fan-cruft. Please don't just list sources and then add whatever you feel like, that isn't how it works. Provide citations for each claim that is out of the ordinary. You can cite the same source multiple times, if need be. Whatever you do, please make it more believable. This could be a good article, if some editors would engage in self-discipline. --Dragon695 (talk) 02:34, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OSHA disagrees with you that microwave radiation can't cause adverse affects in humans. Radar guns, for example, can cause serious problems (http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/radiofrequencyradiation/fnradpub.html). And any radio broadcast antenna can be dangerous, as in the famous example of the painters on the Sears tower (http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/radiofrequencyradiation/sears.pdf). Many college campuses do in fact have radio antenna on tall buildings, either for college radio stations or for research. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.6.19.88 (talk) 13:54, 6 February 2009‎ (UTC)

This is not rooftopping![edit]

i want to create an article about Rooftopping which is currently redirecting to this article. when i changed it i was accused of vanadlism... what is the best way one would go about doing it?

for more information: French article: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toiturophilie translation uploaded by me: https://www.duolingo.com/translation/c02b5f991f444cf80a6939768e79c632 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dues Ex Machina (talk • contribs) 13:27, 20 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The first thing to do is to get the French article up to Wikipedia standards. Also, the sources look weak to the standards used here on the English Wikipedia. (That is, this subject doesn't appear to meet WP:N.) Sources in English would also be useful.

Dues Ex Machina's start at an article on Rooftopping.[1]
Here are the reverting editor's Talk Page comments.[2]

- Lentower (talk) 15:03, 20 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

couldn't it be a stub for now, at the least? rooftopping goes far and beyond what this article covers at present, and i feel Roof Hacking doesn't cover it. some links to get you excited... 500px photo gallery, , Youtube clip, Rooftopping photography, some literature — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dues Ex Machina (talk • contribs) 18:10, 21 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

At least three of these links are WP:OR and can't be used to establish an article. The book could violate WP:RS and WP:Primary. I suggest you wait a few days & see if anyone adds to the discussion, and use that time to read up on article creation and {{Wikipedia_policies_and_guidelines}}. Lentower (talk) 04:56, 22 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Stub & Start class articles are no longer welcome on Wikipedia. They were needed to help bootstrap this encyclopedia when it was started over a dozen years ago. The community now wants new articles to be fully developed, close to or above C class. This is often done in a user's sandbox (as noted in passing at [3]). As an potential article is developed, comments and edits can be solicited a number of different ways. The article in the French Wikipedia isn't up to C class.

It's easier to add a well-sourced paragraph or section to an existing article, and is usually better for Wikipedia's readers.

Your account at Dues Ex Machina (talk · contribs) and the redirect at PIX (talk · contribs) have few edits, which probably indicates you are new to editing here. If that is true, you should read up on new article creation, as well as read widely in & beyond {{Wikipedia_policies_and_guidelines}}. Lentower (talk) 14:07, 22 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Other ways to add Rooftopping[edit]

At best, Rooftopping appears to be worth an additional paragraph with one picture in the present section Roof_and_tunnel_hacking#Roof_hacking. It's just a different version of Roof hacking.

If a separate article does end up happening, both articles should link to the other in some way(s). Lentower (talk) 15:03, 20 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Another possibility is to add Rooftopping to the Urban exploration article. Lentower (talk) 04:56, 22 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Move content to Urban exploration[edit]

There is quite a bit of duplication here with the Urban exploration article, perhaps the content here should be harvested and moved over there? Or, this article could be just about MIT's roof and tunnel hacking, which might not be notable. I realize that while the term "roof and tunnel hacking" probably was orginally connected with MIT, the term is used elsewhere, so perhaps it would be better to move the content to Urban Exploration and doing a redirect. Comments? Cxbrx (talk) 17:09, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]