Talk:South China Sea Islands
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Good article summarizing the legal/historical claims of countries over the Spratly Islands (and Paracel Islands), especially from the point of view of Vietnam and the Philippines: [1] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Seav (talk • contribs) .
[edit] Sinocentrism
This article is too Sinocentric. Several of these islands are disputed territories and have different names in other languages. This article treats the entire South China Sea as China's backyard. DHN 23:17, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
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- It was a fact that those islands were China's backyard traditionally, before the western colonial powers. Right now Vietnam owns the most part of it not China. --61.30.72.148 02:44, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
- This article is extemely Sinocentric. The names from other languages should be included. When I have time, I will try to dig them up if no one else does first. ludahai 魯大海 (talk) 07:39, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
- It was a fact that those islands were China's backyard traditionally, before the western colonial powers. Right now Vietnam owns the most part of it not China. --61.30.72.148 02:44, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Three articles to two
We've got three interlocking articles here: South China Sea, South China Sea Islands, and List of islands in the South China Sea. I'm inclined to make them into two, probably by merging the contents of South China Sea Islands into the other two, making sure not to remove any information. Two reasons:
- Right now, discussion of the contested status of the sea and its islands is split between South China Sea and South China Sea Islands - it would be much clearer if that was discussed in just one place. It's a complicated subject with many details, and will be much more useful for the reader if they don't have to go to two places. The issues of sovereignty over the islands and over the sea itself cannot be separated; claims to the seabed are mostly based on the 200 km EEZs around the little islands themselves. They should be discussed together.
- Use of the term "South China Sea Islands" is questionable. The groupings of islands that it includes - the Spratleys, Paracels, etc are not universally agreed to constitute a single archipelago; some neighboring countries, perhaps to favor their own territorial claims, don't see all of these little islands as a single archipelago. If the existence of one big archipelago is contested, the neutral thing for us to do is to mention the claim (needs a citation), but not use it unquestioned as the title of an article.
Will there be any objection if I make this change? CDC (talk) 21:22, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Other problems
There are many problems with this article in addition to the Sinocentrism. I will try to address these problems, but it will take time due to my busy schedule. ludahai 魯大海 (talk) 08:13, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
South China Seas ~ Oil Search, Survey, Drilling Ships and proposals for intrusive developments.
Some few years ago an American Company apparently started searching the disputed area of the South China Sea, or Vietnam's East Sea as the two main claimants, The PRC "Peoples Republic of China" and The SRV "Socialist Republic of Vietnam" variously prefer to name this "disputed Sovereignty area" ~ Wikipedia have Articles on the ongoing disputes of these two main contenders and 3 articles on the subject open sea and numerous islands, atols and reefs therein encompassed.
Unfortunately there appears to be no pages devoted to the oil hungry world corporate, or Government attempts to search that territory for petrochemical sources. Inn view of the ongoing and likely neverending negotiations over sovereignty in an area where PRC, ROC, SRV, Malaysia, Philippines and possibly others claims or even some existing Borders may tend to overlap.
Recently there have again been rumours of conflicting interests attempting to negotiate for search rights, or joint ventures to survey, map, drill or otherwise refer robbygay discussion page if you think such rumor should be debated or set aside in the interest of allowing the countries involved to continue their peaceful border negotiations, and/or joint exploitations for continued regional harmony.--203.99.250.115 (talk) 05:43, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
My view is that you could include in the naming paragraph, comment on other names in common use, EG., Vietnam People and I believe their Government prefer to call it the "East Sea" this being suggestive of Vietnam ownership claim 'East of Vietnam' rateher than PRC claim connotations of the name "South China Sea" as being 'South of China' hence some claim preference to be accepted universally. Notwithstanding that until China siesed Woody Island and some others in 1974, the entire subject area had been Vietnamese Territories and even to day the dispute is ongoing.
Currently on my page ROBBYGAY I am seeking update opinions and comment of rumors that an arguement is brewing, it would be in the interest of World peace to stop such rumor or add substance details if we don't have some magic offering to help settle the potential for oil search commercial interests to cause some sort of unhealthy confrontation. Likewise I think if we seek to foster peace in the region we ought to mention the two names or some other historic name if appropriate. --203.99.251.67 (talk) 01:45, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
In face Wikipedia does give both names and several other names to this area of sea, we can refer to the page "South China Sea" and I believe cross reference and mention of those names on this South China Sea Islands is equally important as ultimately this is a case most likely to come again to the International Court of Justice (the UN responsible ultimate Arbitration as in the case of Pulau bator on the Western Edge of the same sea). That article referred to in Wikipedia states:-
Sunset on the South China Sea off Mui Ne village on the south-east coast of VietnamSouth China Sea is the dominant term used in English for the sea, and the name in most European languages is equivalent, but it is sometimes called by different names in neighboring countries, often reflecting historical claims to hegemony over the sea.
The English name is a result of early European interest in the sea as a route from Europe and South Asia to the trading opportunities of China. In the sixteenth century Portuguese sailors called it the China Sea (Mare da China); later needs to differentiate it from nearby bodies of water led to calling it the South China Sea.[1]
In China, the traditional name for the sea is Southern Sea (南海; Nán Hǎi). In contemporary Chinese publications, it is commonly called South China Sea (南中國海, Nán Zhōnggúo Hǎi), and this name is often used in English-language maps published by China.
In Vietnam, it is called the Eastern Sea (Biển Đông); this name is sometimes used by Vietnamese mapmakers in foreign-language publications.[1]
The part of the South China Sea within Philippine territorial waters is often given the name "Luzon Sea" (Dagat Luzon) in maps published in the country, after the major Philippine island of Luzon. However, the name "South China Sea" (Dagat Timog Tsina) is still the accepted name for the whole sea in the Philippines.
In Southeast Asia, it was once called the Champa Sea or Sea of Cham, after the maritime kingdom that flourished before the sixteenth century.
--Robbygay (talk) 02:24, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
