Talk:The Turbulent Term of Tyke Tiler

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i think wikipedia needs to have more information about this novel —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.206.242.244 (talk) 16:32, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Twist[edit]

I am removing the sentence that reveals the twist ending. That would completely ruin the book for all the zillions of people likely to read this page!--Pooneil (talk) 22:13, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As an encyclopaedia, we are not aiming to shelter people from finding out plot twists. I suggest putting this back. --86.11.4.28 (talk) 21:34, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Title[edit]

I have returned this page to the original title - there seems no evidence for the claim that The Turbulent Term of Tyke Tyler was the title it was first published under in the UK. The Carnegie Medal Living Archive] gives "Tiler", for example. Robina Fox (talk) 19:23, 20 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

School[edit]

I don't know enough about headmasters, combined schools, and so on to do more than wikify the former, "See also" the latter. --and leave "primary school for ages 4 to 12" by a previous editor in the lead, altho I wonder whether primary is redundant where day school would be informative.

At first (but without saving) I added genre=school story but changed my mind before saving because that means boarding school almost exclusively.
• The " embedded list" Boarding school#Boarding schools in literature does include these two listings that show flexibility:

  • Jean Webster's Daddy Long Legs (1912) is set in a women's residential college with dormitory life, but the chaperonage standards of that era do give the school something of a pre-college feeling.
  • Muriel Spark's novel The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie (1961) has much of a "feel" of a boarding-school novel, although Marcia Blaine School for Girls is actually a day school.

Bottom line: I retained simply genre=Children's novel, which I never retain if I can do better, and wrote "children's school adventure novel" in the lead. Someone who knows the book may be able to correct or confirm, by using links given here if not off the top of her head.

I also wonder whether Cricklepit is a Juvenile series --an oddball category-only, no main article. --P64 (talk) 21:34, 26 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Source[edit]

second of two new sections

Our biography Gene Kemp provides a {{bare URL}}[1] for an article that is likely to be useful here and there.

Children's Literature in Education
Volume 10, Number 3 (1979), 131-140, DOI: 10.1007/BF01146903
Children are real people: the stories of Gene Kemp
Gillian Cross

--P64 (talk) 21:38, 26 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Gender section disproportionately long[edit]

The section on Gender is longer than any of the other sections. This strikes me as disproportionate, warping the focus of the article. Pete unseth (talk) 15:59, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Pete unseth, thank you for taking interest in this article. As per the manual of style for novels, the "Major themes" section of an article is in many ways the most important section and should present a consensus of literary scholars on those themes. The Turbulent Term of Tyke Tiler is most notable for its ending, where the main character is revealed to be a girl, and thus much of the critique of the novel is about how gender is handled in the book. Given this is where the focus often lies when people analyse the book, it seems natural that "Gender" would be the longest section of the article. Do let me know if you disagree or have any suggestions. Unexpectedlydian (talk) 19:40, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Unexpectedlydian, I defer to your greater knowledge of the book itself. Pete unseth (talk) 20:10, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: Daß Wölf (talk · contribs) 18:57, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]


Hello! I'll be starting the review later today. Daß Wölf 18:57, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks! I hope you enjoy and I look forward to your comments. Unexpectedlydian♯4talk‽ 19:08, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Unexpectedlydian: Thanks for contributing this excellent article! It was very interesting to read about a book touching on such modern topics, yet written way back in the 70s. I've only found a few issues with the article. Daß Wölf 12:01, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Daß Wölf: Glad you found the article interesting! It is definitely one of my favourite children's books and I've thought about the themes a lot since first reading it aged 10. I've addressed your comments below, do let me know what you think. Unexpectedlydian♯4talk‽ 14:25, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Unexpectedlydian: I think we've covered everything, so I'm going to mark this as  Passed :) Great work! Daß Wölf 17:09, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):
    Checked most of the sources I could access and they attest to the statements cited to them.
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:
  • The WP:LEAD should not introduce any content not in the rest of the article, so it doesn't need the refs.
    • Thanks, have removed the refs.
  • The non-free use rationale for the book cover is a little terse, e.g. see Template:Non-free use rationale#Example.
    • I've changed the free-use rationale to reflect the example. I agree the previous version was lacking.
      • The new rationale is better, thanks. Daß Wölf 17:09, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • WP:ALT texts shouldn't repeat context from the caption. They're meant to be read by screen readers in addition to the caption. For example, "A painting of Sir Galahad" would be enough.
    • Thank you - I have changed that now.
  • The fact that Tyke is a girl is itself a revelation is, Brindley writes, "reinforcing sexist roles in society". -- that's a bit of a garden-path sentence. I think it would be clearer with a different verb in place of one of the "is".
    • Hmm I agree that doesn't read particulalry well. I have reworded to: "Brindley writes that the idea of Tyke's real gender being a revelation reinforces "sexist roles in society"." What do you think?

Daß Wölf 12:01, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination[edit]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 09:02, 6 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Improved to Good Article status by Unexpectedlydian (talk). Self-nominated at 19:01, 26 June 2022 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: None required.

Overall: Hi Unexpectedlydian, this article was a super interesting read and nearly ready to go; just one fairly minor question remains vis-a-vis inline citations for the quotes from the book itself. Thanks! —⁠Collint c 22:19, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Collin, glad you enjoyed reading it! I have added citations as requested. Many thanks Unexpectedlydian♯4talk‽ 19:16, 30 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Perfect, thanks! This one's good to go. —⁠Collint c 00:33, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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