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Move to "Tipu Sultan"[edit]

Seeing as his name is ٹیپو سلطان and not تپپو سلطان, his name is correctly Romanized as "Tipu" and not "Tippu". Should this be moved to Tipu Sultan instead? I think so. GSMR (talk) 18:55, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Where's that little important part that he was a Shiite. There's no reference to that though this stubborn battle till his death is reported in French and English sources as one of the "...vile traits of Shiites." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.254.193.177 (talk) 07:34, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Attitude towards Christians[edit]

I have removed the opening sentence "Tipu was widely reputed to be anti-Christian". This is not found in the reference provided. Such a harsh, general statement as the opening sentence gives reader no further incentive to read the further paragraphs and is clearly a POV push. If Tipu had built a Christian church at the request of French, then should we also write that he was a Christian missionary? No I guess. Zencv Whisper 11:27, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Building a Christian church does not even hint that Tipu could be a Christian missionary. So, i fail to understand your logic. Anyway, the disputed statement has now been sourced and reworded from, "Tipu was widely reputed to be anti-Christian" to "Tipu was widely reputed to be a fanatical anti-Christian". These are referenced by the following:
  • The British Isles and the War of American Independence by Stephen Conway
  • South Kanara, 1799-1860: a study in colonial administration and regional response by N. Shyam Bhat
  • Religion and society in South India: Hindus, Muslims, and Christians by J. B. Prashant More, Institute for Research in Social Sciences and Humanities of MESHAR.
These should be more than enough. Furthermore, keep in mind that the article does not imply that he was anti-Christian, but mentions the now sourced fact that he was widely believed to be anti-Christian. Joyson Konkani 13:22, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
The first reference just says "Tipu was regarded as a fanatical anti Christian". Other sources mention his anti Christian policies, but do not mention that he was "fanatical anti Christian". Just because one (biased) historian says that "he was regarded as a fanatical anti Christian", you cannot say "widely believed". To have such a wording, you need more concensus among historians. Also Tipus perceived hostility towards Christians could be due to anti British sentiments as well as one of your sources say. So we have to have more neutral sentence. I have corrected accordingly Zencv Whisper 14:16, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
OK. Thanks for the correction. Joyson Konkani 15:03, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

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Tipu's Mother[edit]

Bowring has Fakhr-un-nissa as being the daughter of Mir Moin-ud-din, Governor of Kadapa, rather than Shahal Tariq (as in the article). Are Moin-ud-din and Shahal Tariq the same person?

Graeme Cook (talk) 10:50, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

This source claims Shahal Tariq is Fakhr-un-nissa's mother. The article repeats this claim... Magic♪piano 18:01, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
Sigh. Large tracts from that source (Freedom fighters of India by Lion M. G. Agrawal) are directly cut/pasted into the article. Magic♪piano 18:06, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
Double sigh. Said book appears to be a compilation of Wikipedia articles. Magic♪piano 19:39, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Raccoonvs (talk) 00:50, 9 June 2011 (UTC)"There is also a recent finding that the popular legendary woman warrior Unniyarcha was a contemporary of Tipu Sultan and in fact Tipu had captured her in war and taken her to Mysore in 1790 May and forced her to be one of his wives. The finding was made by writer Manantheri Bhaskaran who claims to be Unniyarcha's relative (4th generation grandson of Unniyarcha's brother)"

This claim cannot be correct as Unniyarcha lived in 16th Century while Tippu is from 2 centuries later.

Please remove this sentenceRaccoonvs (talk) 00:50, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Treatment of prisoners[edit]

The statement of Professor Sheikh Ali (..."took his stand on the bedrock of humanity, regarding all his subjects as equal citizen to live in peace, harmony and concord.") says nothing about the headlined "Treatment of prisoners" itself and represents a harsh contrast to what is posted in the "Attitude towards Christians" section ... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.82.130.141 (talk) 10:51, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

No account of Tipu Sultan is neutral. They either have an anti-Tipu or pro-Tipu bias. Joyson Noel Holla at me! 12:25, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

My point is, that this looks like a private impression of Prof. Ali which says nothing about the topic (...treatment of prisoners...) ... what kind of FACT (concerning treatment of prisoners) is this ???? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.82.140.238 (talk) 17:01, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

It is a private impression, unless it is backed up with evidence. Anyway, he is quoted. It is not being mentioned as FACT, but as his own personal opinion. Joyson Noel Holla at me! 17:21, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

...I Repeat: ... it says nothing about treatment of prisoners —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.70.42.23 (talk) 18:06, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

The anon has a point. The quote is about Tipu's subjects (i.e. citizens of Mysore), not his prisoners (captives taken from various places, and prisoners of war). The quote may be appropriate to use, but it appears out of place in a short section with that title. Magic♪piano 18:21, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
I agree too. I misunderstood what he meant. This is what happens when you read in haste. Joyson Noel Holla at me! 18:28, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Why is this section even present in the history of Tipu Sultan? Is it customary in Wikipedia, when writing encyclopedic article about rulers, to explain how they treated prisoners? Moreover, as it stands, the purpose of this short section seems to be to say that thirteen British prisoners were found dead at the end of the final siege. This does not constitute any great insight into how Tipu treated prisoners. Recommend this section be removed.Kishorekumar 62 (talk) 06:57, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Frivolous comments about Unniyarcha[edit]

Unfounded comments about the 16th century legendary folklore heroine Unniyarcha have been included in this article, connecting her to Tipu Sultan of the 18th century. The fundamental timeline contradiction of two centuries is sufficient reason to remove those comments from section 4.1 of this article. Serious editors of this article please take note and remove those edits mentioning Unniyarcha. Irresponsible journalism in Kerala, where any unfounded claim can be set off as a rumour should not be reason to twist real history of Tipu Sultan. Literary historians have for long dated the folklores Vadakkan Pattukal to the 16th century. The legends of Unniyarcha originate from the folklores, two centuries prior to Tipu Sultan! Aaroamal (talk) 22:03, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Note[edit]

Sultanate of Mysore and the Kingdom of Mysore are two totally different dynasties.```(182.182.33.151 (talk) 08:27, 31 May 2012 (UTC))

Petty Kingdoms[edit]

Under "Ruler of Mysore" the article says: "He managed to subdue all the petty kingdoms in the south" South of what? South India? South Asia? What are "petty" kingdoms? How do we define "petty"? We need an explanation or reliable citations, or we need to remove that sentence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Keecheril (talkcontribs) 22:16, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Praise[edit]

Please show both sides of the coin and not see Tipu in black or white. There seems to be an attempt to heap unwarranted praise upon Tipu Sultan in an attempt to make him some sort of a deity and to project him as a hero of certain regions. I would request editors to look out for original research and project facts as it is while not trying to cover them up. Wikipedia is not a medium to be used to glorify individuals. Kanga Roo in the Zoo (talk) 10:23, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

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I agree - the article should be objective. Notthebestusername (talk) 04:04, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

You have a lot of wrong information updated[edit]

You are clearly showing Tipu Sultan as a villain where as everywhere he is noted as a hero. The author should realize that he is the only personality an Indian whose mention and photo is in NASA office. there has to be some research done in this case as the next generation will read about this person. There school books show he was a hero and your page shows he was a big villain. You have not mentioned his achievements clearly where as you have only mentioned his bad deeds. I request humbly please update correct information about this great man.He never abducted children, please provide the proof of him doing this and also update his great words said. I am a regular reader of your articles and I was really upset reading this article of Tipu. Please get the proper information. Some people are trying to malign his image based on communal grounds but it looks like wikipedia is supporting them on this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.28.149.29 (talk) 12:11, 18 February 2014 (UTC)