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What should the title of the article be?[edit]

"Point Grey Campus, University of British Columbia" follows the same structure as the article for UBC Okanagan . However, the Point Grey campus is also UBC's main campus, so maybe it should just be called "Campus of the University of British Columbia" See: Campus of the University of Washington.

Interestingly UBC refers to this campus as "UBC Vancouver Campus" in its promotional literature. Historically it was just known as UBC.

--50.64.2.22 (talk) 04:55, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

What it was called historically means nothing... there didn't used to be the Okanagan campus, so the fact it was called simply "UBC" is moot. There is also the Robson Square "campus" and possibly other sites they refer to as campus. Ah: here. "UBC Vancouver campus" might be more suitable but I would say then that the two articles should "UBC Okanagan campus" and "UBC Vancouver campus" (note the lowercase "campus" not Campus). Internally it's common for them to be referred to as "UBC Vancouver" and "UBC Okanagan". Actually, maybe those should be the titles, as per WP:COMMONNAME. So then you'd have University of British Columbia as the main article and UBC Vancouver and UBC Okanagan as the campus articles. Currently UBC Vancouver points to a section in the main article but that would be easy enough to fix. We'd be best to find someone with pagemover rights if we go that route, though. I guess we could do a WP:RM. —Joeyconnick (talk) 13:18, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't there is a difference between calling the article "Point Grey Campus, University of British Columbia", which is the official name of UBC's flagship campus (but is a new term), and an article about the physical campus grounds. The intention of this article is to provide an overview of UBC's geographical, economical and demographical characteristics. The UBC area is not just an academic centre, but it is also a major unincorporated urban area (unlike many other campuses). It has its own RCMP detachment, firehall, highschool and massive mixed used residential development.

For example, the article for UBC's satellite campus is called "Okanagan Campus, University of British Columbia". However, UBC-O could also have another article about the actual physical layout of the campus itself. Calling this article "Point Grey Campus, University of British Columbia" is redundant because there the main UBC article is already about campus. Do you catch my drift?

--50.64.2.22 (talk) 05:24, 29 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Just to add I think in the future it is possible that UBC-O will function with greater autonomy. However for the time being it lead by Santo Ono and joined at the hip of UBC's Vancouver campus.

This ministry quote from 2004 implies that UBC wants to follow the University of California model, so perhaps it will follow a university system approach, but for the time being it looks like UBC-O is a young institution that is dependant on UBC Vancouver: " Based on the highly successful University of California model, UBC Okanagan and UBC Vancouver will each have an independent senate to set academic priorities for their respective institutions, based on regional needs and priorities. At the same time, they will share a common board of governors, with strong representation from each region." - https://archive.news.gov.bc.ca/releases/archive/2001-2005/2004mae0007-000173-attachment1.htm

Maybe in 25 years we will refer to the two campus as two different degree granting institutions, but that time has not yet come. --50.64.2.22 (talk) 05:41, 29 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Are you saying "Campus of the University of British Columbia" better captures the notion of the area that includes the UBC campus proper as an unincorporated urban area better than "Point Grey Campus, University of British Columbia?" If so, I don't agree... they are interchangeable if you ask me, apart from the existence of UBCO. That is, if UBCO were not a thing, "campus of" and "Point Grey campus" would be equivalent. As it stands, "Campus of" doesn't make sense, because there are two UBC campuses. The natural question since UBCO if someone were to say "oh the campus of the University of British Columbia" is to ask "which one?" (actually, with Robson Square and Great Northern Way, there's maybe more than 2 answers to that, even). I think you're interpreting the word "campus" in too restrictive a manner, unless there's another viable common or official name we can use that doesn't say "campus" but includes the lands essentially to the west of the UEL.

Of course, UBC also calls Point Grey the "Vancouver Campus" here.

It's probably best to call it either the "Point Grey Campus, UBC" or "Vancouver Campus, UBC" and simply explain, as you do here, that unlike a traditional university campus, it's also a major unincorporated urban area with its own RCMP detachment, a firehall, a high school, and multiple mixed-used residential developments. Although come to think of it, plenty of US campuses have their own police forces. —Joeyconnick (talk) 08:01, 29 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]