User talk:Asbestos/Archive4

User:Nightlark

Hi Asbestos,

User:Nightlark, who you have warned already, has just added nonsense to one of my User sub-pages [1]. Could you please block him/her? I haven't the power. Thanks, --Cyberjunkie 10:07, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

Sure, it wasn't a malicious edit, but it was nonsense nevertheless. I have no history with Nightlark, nor have I edited any of the articles s/he has. I suspect Nightlark came across my sub-page at Recent changes. Discussion doesn’t appear to be an option either, given s/he has just blanked their talk page and my comments posted on it. However, this isn't an issue I am going to pursue with any great fervour.

Thank you for responding, and for providing the above options. For now, I may just monitor Nightlark.--Cyberjunkie 10:44, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

Re: Deleting articles

Thanks Asbestos. In future, I'll do as you suggest. --- Gurry 08:22, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

Did you know?

Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article sideman, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently-created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

User page "vandalism"

Just in case you did not notice: for all practical purposes, Amorrow = 204.147.187.240, but I have now fixed my login so that it is sticky (I logged out just to make this page). My POV on Elizabeth Morgan was very personal and creating her biography and my own Amorrow user page have been therapy for my own divorce (10 years ago) from my pediatrician ex-wife. My daughter is now 11 years old and ready for some initial "Facts of Life". My comments on my user page might be half-baked and humourous, but they are not intended to be obscene.

Welcoming new users

Hi! You welcomed me to Wikipedia a few months ago, and I've seen you have been doing the same with other new users from time to time. Was it your personal inniciative, or is it part of a broader Wikipedia project? If it's the latter, I'd like to do it too. The welcoming message made me feel part of Wikipedia, and I think it is a great thing to do :) Sarg 12:23, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• Thanks for the useful information you gave me. I agree with you that it's quite useless to be a member of a group if you are doing the same things anyway :) See ya. Sarg 14:52, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

VFD

Just letting you know about Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/HYP (universities) 2. If you have an opinion, please vote. —Lowellian (talk) 23:46, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)

Moka

Hi. Looking at your image it is, to my eyes anyway, rather unclear as there is middle section appears to just be a funnel and has no apparent way of holding the grounds! It is also quite a bit smaller. Separately though I hadn't realised there was a Moka article and, checking the dates, it appears it should be merged into Coffee percolator as the earliest-created article and also as the encompassing term. Also, most of the text in Moka already exists in the main article. Will do this shortly. --Vamp:Willow 19:49, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Merge completed. I used your photo but reverted to the earlier cross-section as it shows the lower filter. --Vamp:Willow 20:14, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

While I remember ... I've always thought that "Moka" was a tradename for the product but can't trace any origin. Any knowledge of the etymology? --Vamp:Willow 20:16, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I note your change (though point out you said "Had I realized, I wouldn't have made another image, since your diagram is fine") but your replacement image is still over-complicated to describe the functioning plus, eg, both the up and down spouts are closed rather than open. Given that the pre-existing image was perfectly clear in respect of explaining how it worked and you yourself also thought this, I've left it on the article. --Vamp:Willow 20:42, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Iranian opposition group site

Dear Asbestos I am glad someone finally locked the page about Mojahedin-e Khalq because regime was misusing it as its mouthpiece on an encyclopedia which people take seriously. I was hoping that you could read both the discussion board and the history section of the page and you will see that arguments that me and my friend made, and some other people too, were factual (by which I mean we quoted facts which can be researched on the internet), while the regime-affiliated people who changed the page, at one point even wrote "I HATE YOUR GROUP". That obviously shows that he (or they) have serious POV. In responce to facts we presented, they accused me and my friend of being terrorists (on the basis that I live in France!). I hope you can write me back a message, but I also would like to ask you to revert the page to the unbiased version, which at the minimum call the group by the name they call themselves, PMOI, (You know its on the header of their statements, whereas they never use the term MKO). I say this because I don't like to see facts and history re-written and also because I wanted to show my friends the usefulness of Wikipedia (at present they would automatically reject it as a biased site, not a factual one). One last point is that you will notice, I put a lot of effort in writing a lot on the page "Maryam Rajavi", with plenty of facts, but the regime guy has come there aswell and has changed that too. If you just take a look at his version you will see that it is completely biased and to be honest, full of lies. One can tell that he has animosity towards the Iranian opposition group and can sense he is regime-affiliated. --RezaKia 06:51, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Cross-section of tooth

That's a great picture of a tooth! I added it to dentin as well. RJFJR 04:04, Jun 7, 2005 (UTC)

Male and Female Images

The new images are much better. Thanks! Ebeisher 03:38, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Volcanic Pipe

Hi Asbestos, the diagram you made for volcanic pipe is perfect! Thanks so much! - Bryan is Bantman 04:03, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)

User page vandalism

Hi Solipsist —

thanks for reverting whatever it was that happened to my user page. I had seen it, but as it was a junble of code with everything mixed up, I figured it to be a server problem, not an act of vandalism, so decided to leave it. I guess I should have thought to check the page history. What did the guy do — copy the contents of the page source into the wiki?

Anyway, thanks, — Asbestos | Talk 11:03, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

No worries. I'm not really sure what they did. There was a fair bit of HTML code and #includes - I didn't pay much attention. When I see an anon-IP edit a user page without explanation there is a good chance it is vandalism, but this may just have been a mistake. Either way you are probably better off without it. -- Solipsist 12:02, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Making a face

Hi Jleedev — I saw your request for a image to illustrate Making a face. Would the third image down in Image:PhotoBoothStrip.jpg do? (Don't worry about image quality — the original is of very high dpi and so can easily be cropped). — Asbestos | Talk 1 July 2005 13:48 (UTC)

That would be hilarious. Do it! —Josh Lee July 1, 2005 21:56 (UTC)

CSD Proposal 3-B

You voted or commented on Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion/Proposal/3-B or Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion/Proposal/3-A or both. I have proposed a revised version, at Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion/Proposal/3-C. This version is intended to address objections made by many of those oppsoed to 3-A or 3-B. The revised propsal refers explicitly and directly to the criteria at WP:MUSIC. If you have not already done so, please examine the revised proposal and vote on it also. Thank you. DES 6 July 2005 04:57 (UTC)

Edinburgh

Hey, yes, I saw many people taking photographs. Indymedia Scotland (site) has photographs, but unfortunately they are generally under a "noncommercial" licenses.

Are you still covering the events? I'm in Edinburgh for work purposes so I cannot do much Wikinewsing... :-) David.Monniaux 8 July 2005 13:24 (UTC)

Qatar

Thanks for your answer at WP:RD about Qatar. I am grateful. PedanticallySpeaking July 8, 2005 20:44 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion/Proposal/3-C

Hello! Sorry to bother you, but since you voted on the earlier CSD proposal about unremarkable bands, it would be appreciated if you cast your vote for this version. It has been reworded to address concerns raised against the earlier wording. Please take a look at it and consider if you support or oppose it. Yours, Radiant_>|< 08:33, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

Image:Map-of-human-migrations.jpg

I have to admit I have a preference for maps that do not put equator in the center or north in the upper part, that´s partly why I am attratcted to challenges where I believe such a map is not necessary, as this map and the oceans diagram I also did.

You may feel confused for the position of the continents but I do not. I would argue that´s because you are so much used to the mercator projection that you cannot see how distorted it can be, and how unprecise about the shape of the continents it can be. You could argue that´s a common and standard that´s easier to comunicate as we are used to it. This arguments could go forever. I for one have absolutely no difficulty in recognizing the continents.

I believe that this projection is better for the given map because:

• there is a almost no distortion on the land masses. As almost all migrations were by land (or by small jumps in primitive boats) it give us a precise measure of how far they had to walk. It show planet earth really as a walking distance tiny island.
• Africa is on top left, where our eyes are used to start reading, south america is in the bottom right, which is the farthest continent that our ancestors had to walk. This give us a nice idea of how far where the native africans from the native americans when they first met (of course I am ignoring all transoceanic theories)
• the polar cape is in the center, so that you can see the extent of the ice age in it´s real undistorted area.
• all arrows are continuous, no need for one going out of the map in one side and magically appearing on the other.

Let´s continue this talk on the image page, shall we?--Alexandre Van de Sande 02:44, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Image talk:Map-of-human-migrations.jpg

RFC on DotSix

I have filed a request for comment on DotSix's conduct. It is available at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/DotSix. Since you are involved in this dispute, you may want to certify the RFC or add your own comments. Thanks. Rhobite 01:57, July 27, 2005 (UTC)

G8 pictures

Hello Asbestos,

I saw some of your G8 pictures and I was wondering whether you got permission from the people on the pictures to release them under the open licences. For instance, the man on http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:EdinburghProtests2.jpg. On Indymedia and amongst the activists themselves there has been some discussion to protect the privacy of demonstrators, especially since the British autorities can use this footage to press charges on the people in the pictures. I don't know about international copyright laws, but in the Netherlands publishing these pictures without permission wouldn't be allowed anyhow, because of the 'portret rights' of the subjects. nl:Gebruiker:SanderSpek

Hmmm, that's an interesting question. I think that for the precise picture you point out the question is academic — he was in the police's hands, either he was charged or he wasn't. All I know is that he was later taken to one of the police vans.

As to whether the images can be displayed, either online or in press, I think they certainly can: reporters are free to publish images of events such as these, and they don't need the permission of the subjects (I would doubt that even in the Netherlands journalists need to ask permission of everyone they publish photos of). As to whether they can be released under an open licence, I'm confused as to why this would be an issue. If I have the copyrights to the image, and the image is freely publishable, then what would prevent me from allowing others to use it? The free licence is merely a way of signaling my permission for others to use the images.

As for the slightly greyer area of whether I might be harming anyone from showing these pictures, I'd be a little more worried about that, as I have no wish to cause problems for anyone. However, no one in the photos are doing anything remotely illegal, and the police had dozens of their own photographers taking photos and film of everyone there. I'm also not sure how changing the licence to a non-free licence would aid that.

This isn't meant to dismiss your concerns out-right. If there is serious discussion on Indymedia that suggests photos, such as my own, which show no illegal activity might harm people, then I'd be interested in hearing it. I don't believe that the legality of the licence is in question, however.

— Asbestos | Talk 13:04, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

I looked for some more info and you are partly right. In the Netherlands, someone with portret rights (this means, the person is recognisable on the picture) can object to the publication of the work. A judge can then make a judgement weighting the arguments and interests of the subject and the photographer/publisher. So probably by Dutch law it's okay. It don't expect it to be really more restricting on Wikipedia Commons, whatever law applies there.

About the question whether the persons on the pictures are doing something illegal: several of the demonstrations (like the Carnival For Full Enjoyment (Edinburgh, I think where your pictures are taken) and the Boogie On The Bridge (Glasgow)) were illegal, so all the participators were doing something illegal. I was in the group who was panned in Canning Street during the Carnival, and when we were released we were told that participating in any other illegal demo/carnival during the G8 could result in an arrestation. However, I don't expect the police doing anything with footage of those ocasions now (although they might be used in later cases) and probably they have plenty of their own footage by now. At least, I got filmed dozens of times. nl:Gebruiker:SanderSpek

Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Naked and Petrified (2)

Sorry about that! I saw it hadn't been linked yet, and wondered if you were confused about the "2" in brackets, or something. I guess I shouldn't have jumped the gun! Madd4Max 11:16, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

User:Asbestos/RFC

Hi Bmicomp — I'm letting you know that I've unashamedly stolen your idea of a personal RFC page. I couldn't really steal your excellent signature, though, so I'm letting you keep that. — Asbestos | Talk (RFC) 10:21, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Oh no, feel free to steal! I like that somebody else (you) is/are using the idea. --- BMIComp (talk, HOWS MY DRIVING) 12:59, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured sound candidates

Please have a look at this proposal and comment on its talk page. Thanks.--Pharos 05:16, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

User talk: Enciclopedia

You seem to have meant {{subst:User:Asbestos/Welcome}} on the above page, but I don't want to change your edit in case I'm wrong. Could you fix it? KissL 11:18, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Woops! Serves me right for not checking back on that page after posting the template (too many tabs open...). Thanks very much for catching that, — Asbestos | Talk (RFC) 11:21, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Withdrawing candidacy

I have withdrawn my RfA because of continued questions involving her. I will not answer any of those, especially in a public forum. It is, an extra-wikipedia issue that has somehow become a wikipedia issue. It should not be a wiki issue, and it will continue to not be a wiki issue. What I do outside of the wiki is my own buisness that I can divulge at my liesure. What the people outside of the wiki tell me is something I cannot and will not divulge. If you have a problem with me and feel the burning desire to communicate it, you are welcome to use e-mail.

This is the last time I want to hear of this on Wikipedia. I refuse to answer in respect for her privacy. I trust you will do the same.--Tznkai 16:20, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

Hi Tznkai —

I brought up the crisis because I had thought your way of handling it was a little odd. However, until I was asked to elaborate by Kim, I merely mentioned that you had asked for a notice placed on your user page, which was the part I found oddest, and which someone else had already mentioned. I don't think it's worth withdrawing over this issue: I've withdrawn my mention of her, and I'm sure Blankfaze would also remove her name from his comment if you asked. I don't think her being in or out of any limelight would be different if you withdrew.

Please understand that my comments about you were only in relation to your being an admin. From my little experience with you, but by looking through your history here, I personally think that you're an extremely valuable wikipedia member and contributor. I was merely unsure that your ability to contribute would be enhanced by being an admin, unlike someone with an obvious penchance for doing administrative-type duties.

If you are withdrawing because of the privacy issue, please reconsider. I don't think the situation would improve through a withdrawal. — Asbestos | Talk (RFC) 16:35, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

The fact that it happened more than once is far more than enough indiciation I need to nip this in the bud. I will face criticism for any number of things, including a "high and mighty" attitude problem, which I will admit to. I will not continue to attempt to defend myself when the only way of doing that is compromising the privacy of someone else.

This is not your fault specificly. You're just the straw in this case.--Tznkai 16:38, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

For reasons of 3rd party privacy, I'm hiding this discussion, though it can still be recovered from page history at [2].

Please continue the discussion per E-mail. Kim Bruning 17:12, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

It has been replaced (with the name edited out). With all respect, please don't remove messages from my talk page. — Asbestos | Talk (RFC) 17:26, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

Glad you agree with me on the privacy issue. Thank you. :-) Kim Bruning 17:31, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

The problem with edit summaries...

...is that you can't edit them afterwards, if you'd like to word them more politely :-/ Sorry about that, I didn't mean to insinuate of course. I'll ask tznkai to leave a message on his user talk or so. Kim Bruning 17:31, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Wikiblower protection#Result of the Vote

I was simply using small words because I wanted to make sure he understood, out of my infinite and unending love for all people and communication between us.  :-) Nandesuka 14:35, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

Oh, also, how do I become an "overlord"? Do I have to take a blood test or something? 14:46, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

WP:CP vs. WP:VFD

As requested, your VFD nomination has been nuked along with the speedy deleted article. In fact, you might want to read the excellent advice Uncle G posted at User:Uncle G/Wikipedia triage for new page patrollers. Even if the article (How to stop masturbation) had not been a speedy deletion, it was a copyvio as a quick google check affirmed. The copyvio track to deletion at WP:CP is much simpler and easier to use than the VFD track. Thanks for your help in defending the integrity of Wikipedia! Sjakkalle (Check!) 13:07, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Hi Sjakkalle — actually I had checked for copyvio (I always do if a newbie posts a complete article in one edit). While there were several sections that were copyvio (all that stuff about bulls) and quotes that were also elsewhere, it didn't look to me like the entire article was copyvio; rather it seemed pieced together from several sources and with a fair amount of POV ranting in the middle. I could have removed the copyvio sections, but I figured if it's going to VfD there wouldn't be much point.

I was actually confused about how it got speedied. I couldn't see anything in WP:CSD that the article would fit under. I therefore went by the safer route and VfD'd. I guess Rama thought otherwise, though I don't know that "ridicoulous rant, not a chance of survival in VfD" is a criteria.

Anyway, no matter. Obviously the article should have been deleted, and the end result is the same. — Asbestos | Talk (RFC) 14:22, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

When I checked for copyvio I found the text at several different pages at the same website. If there is any copyvio, even a copyvio with comments attached to it, it's quite safe to tag it as a copyvio. Otherwise, I agree with you that it might not have been a speedy deletion, but if anyone tries bringing that to VFU arguing that it wasn't a speedy candidate, I will be voting "keep deleted" without hesitation. Thanks again for your efforts! Sjakkalle (Check!) 14:34, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Many Thanks

Thanks for supporting my RFA. It couldn't have happened without your effort. FeloniousMonk 17:34, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Capoeira

Hi KEJ —

I noticed you put Mestre Cobrinha on the new list of Mestres in the Capoeira article. Did you train under him, by any chance? — Asbestos | Talk (RFC) 14:10, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

I've played with him some. I was in a university group in CT, nominally under FICA and him, and he'd come up a couple times a year and we'd go down to DC a few times a year, and I got to play with him some in rodas elsewhere. I'd be happy to start up an article on him at some point, although it would have to be in a few days after I've turned in my dissertation... — Asbestos | Talk (RFC) 08:56, 19 August 2005

New articles

Do you know if there is Wiki-page that shows immediately when new articles are created and it is it open to non-Admins? It seems to me there must be or things wouldn't wind up on VfD within minutes. Sorry if this has an obvious answer--I only ask you because you welcomed me some months back. Marskell 11:45, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Yup, there are two ways, in fact. The first is to go to Special:Newpages, either through that link or by typing it out in your adress bar. I'm actually not entirely sure how one is supposed to know this — the only place I've seen the link posted is at Wikipedia:RC patrol, which isn't a page most people would go to often. The second, I expect more common way, is that many people montor the Recent changes page to keep an eye out for vandalism, and new pages show up with an N next to them. If the page has a title that catches someone's eye, or is made by an anon IP or a new user (shown by their talk-page red link), you can bet that it will have several editors check it out to see if it's ok. — Asbestos | Talk (RFC) 17:38, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for info. I think this is relevant enough to have a link on the help page. I could add this reasonably but don't think I have the seniority; you might do this or at least solicit opinions. If there was a monitoring system for the Special:Newpages it would partly eliminate problems with VfD months later. I watched the page for an hour after you noted it to me and threw five articles on Speedy deletions easily. Considering the over-all volume, I can only imagine how many of the (almost now) 700 000 articles slipped thru unobserved and should have been stopped as soon as they were started. Marskell 23:00, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

You really ought to feel free to add things to whichever help page you think the link applies to. There is sometimes some implied seniority in that, if users know you they might be more likely to trust that your actions are in good faith, but any user who reverts a good-faith addition to a help page ought certainly to take it to the talk page and discuss it if nothing else.

In answer to your monitoring system thoughts, though, I think people who watch Recent Changes already do this — indeed, as you said, many articles get VfD's within minutes of their creation. It's always difficult to know what would have gotten through had you not been watching the page: for instance, when I have the time to vandal watch, I might catch and revert twenty or so vandalisms within ten minutes. That said, they would have probably been caught even if I hadn't been watching the RC.

Anyway, if you're interested in this, I know that some users get the RC to show up constantly in their RSS feed, and I bet you could do the same thing with NewPages. You'd have to ask at one of the help desks for detais, though.

Good luck!

— Asbestos | Talk (RFC) 18:18, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Nomination

Good evening, Asbestos! I'd like to nominate you for adminship. I saw your request to be a part of the mediation committee. Your humility on the position is a sign that you aren't likely to abuse your powers. You've been here for over a year and have plenty of edits. It's unlikely people would oppose you. If you want me to, leave a message on my talk page. Acetic Acid 03:18, August 23, 2005 (UTC)

Certainly. You're most welcome. :) I'll prep the nomination and keep it in my Sandbox until Friday. Thanks for letting me nominate you. I know you'll do a great job. Acetic Acid 09:32, August 23, 2005 (UTC)

One thing I want to make sure of before Friday. Are you a he or a she? XD I'm afraid you aren't one of those weird people who write their user page in third person. Acetic Acid 09:44, August 23, 2005 (UTC)

Nice to meet you, Sam (male)! :) Acetic Acid 19:42, August 23, 2005 (UTC)

OMG! Guess what day it is? :) Acetic Acid 07:53, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

Italy or UK?

Why are you listed on Wikipedia:Wikipedians/Italy but categorized as from UK?--Army1987 10:22, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Well, because I was born in and grew up in Italy, yet happen now to be living in the UK. Wikipedia:Wikipedians/Italy is meant to include wikipedians originally from Italy. Category:UK Wikipedians is a little bit greyer, but I guess it is being replaced by Category:Wikipedians in the United Kingdom, which I would count as. Though only for another two weeks, after which I guess I'll have to change it.

If you're question is to work out whether I ought to be in Category:Wikipedians in Italy, well I don't know. The page says "...or are associated with Italy", so I'd say yes. If the categorizers want to be strict and include only those who are currently living in Italy, well I guess no. I doesn't really matter to me. — Asbestos | Talk (RFC) 10:57, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Then I suggest you to include yourself in both categories (and remove yourself from the list).--Army1987 17:46, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations

You're an admin! Please read the advice. Have fun. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 16:59, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

I second that! Great job! I knew you've be a shoe-in. :) Acetic'^Acid 18:47, September 2, 2005 (UTC)

Congrats and keep up the good work!

Journalist ^C./ ^{Holla @ me!}

Yeah, what they're all sayin. :) Mop well! —encephalon | ^ζ 01:46:31, 2005-09-03 (UTC)

• Congratulations, and you're quite welcome! --Merovingian (t) (c) 03:01, September 3, 2005 (UTC)

• Congratulations! Andre (talk) 00:16, September 4, 2005 (UTC)

image copyrights

Hi - I finally responded on my talk page to your note about image copyrights of some images I uploaded. (Sorry - should I copy the coversation here or is it ok to just leave you a note? Not sure what the proper wiki thing is.) Clubmarx 03:49, September 5, 2005 (UTC)

Admin

No problem, gratz on the adminship. Derktar 22:21, September 5, 2005 (UTC).

Popups tool

Congratulations on being made an admin! I thought you might like to know of a javascript tool that may help in your editing by giving easy access to many admin features. It's described at Wikipedia:Tools#Navigation_popups. The quick version of the installation procedure for admins is paste the following into User:Asbestos/Archive4/monobook.js:

// [[User:Lupin/popups.js]] - please include this line 

document.write('<script type="text/javascript" src="' 
             + 'http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Lupin/popups.js' 
             + '&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript&dontcountme=s"></script>');

popupAdminLinks=true;

Give it a try and let me know if you find any glitches or have suggestions for improvements! Lupin 01:40, 8 September 2005 (UTC)