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St Magnus Bay[edit]

Hi MacDui, I've made a start on the geology section, although at the moment it's just an alternative text bunged into the section with a few additional refs. I don't think that the impact origin is taken very seriously these days, but it gets mentioned so I guess it deserves its place. I will try to integrate what I've added with the existing text, although I'll leave out the large strike-slip movement on the St Magnus Bay Fault, deferring to John Marshall on this one. I'm also not sure of the necessity to add a general introduction to Shetland geology. Mikenorton (talk) 22:29, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Many thanks. The general intro was something I started when I realised our army of interns had so far failed to complete Geology of Shetland and I wanted to make sure I had some understanding of the background. The shape is the most obvious feature of the bay - if the impact is no longer in fashion, is it presumed to be random? Ben MacDui 07:52, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Ryan-Zico Black[edit]

Hello Ben MacDui, please can you restore the talk page for Ryan-Zico Black? Clavdia chauchat (talk) 22:42, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Done. Ben MacDui 08:11, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Lismore, Scotland[edit]

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Hi, I left a note on Talk:Fortingall Yew discussing the categorization, please reply. Thank you Hekerui (talk) 08:49, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

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UN Cemetery[edit]

Thanks. – S. Rich (talk) 19:33, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome. Ben MacDui 14:11, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

Traveller rant[edit]

He's put that same thing into quite a few pages [1] Akerbeltz (talk) 13:50, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

I see you have removed the remaining ones. I will keep my eye open for any repetitions. Ben MacDui 14:02, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Books and Bytes: The Wikipedia Library Newsletter[edit]

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Description of the Western Isles of Scotland[edit]

Thanks for your invitation. I have looked in with great pleasure at the FAC. I hope you will put a note on my talk page letting me know of any further PRs or FACs you put forward. Tim riley (talk) 19:10, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for this suggestion - I will be sure to do so and please feel free to reciprocate. Ben MacDui 19:14, 11 November 2013 (UTC)


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Seasonal greetings[edit]

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Merry Christmas and best wishes for a happy, healthy and productive 2014!
Ruhrfisch ><>°° 23:23, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

PS Thanks for nominating me for the Triple Crown! Ruhrfisch ><>°° 23:23, 24 December 2013 (UTC)


Hi, could you have a look at this article? I've been slow working to tidy up after a certain blocked user, however on this article what info there was has been stripped due to lack of refs. Could you just give bit of advice, and maybe assist resurrecting it from sub-stub state?--Nilfanion (talk) 16:39, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

A Happy New Year - and I see you are inviting me into a minor edit war! I will be happy to oblige without of course taking any sides in this unfortunate spat. Ben MacDui 15:07, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
You too, and hope you had a good Christmas too :)
That conflict there almost rates as lame ;) Pinged you for outside viewpoint and because I know you are more familiar with Scotland and settlement article content than me. Incidentally I am not sure about the Coulthard ref, my understanding is he has lived in Monaco for several years - whereas his hometown and birthplace is Twynholm; the Coulthard museum is relevant too. The ref merely says he is "of" Twynholm which is ambiguous.--Nilfanion (talk) 00:38, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
True enough apparently and fixed. Ben MacDui 11:23, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

GA for mountains[edit]

Hi, I was wondering if you had much experience with getting scottish mountains to GA. I have been expanding Càrn Eige but I am doubtful whether it can be got to GA since I lack sources and in any case coverage seems to be patchy on anything apart from how to climb it. Thanks --Gilderien Berate|List of good deeds 18:31, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Next to none I'm afraid, beyond being a long term page-watcher of Ben Nevis. The SMC probably have some useful publications. I am not sure I have much myself, but I'll take a look. Incidentally, I understand the idea, but I can't help feeling that listing the "prominence" as 2nd is a shade misleading to the average reader. Ben MacDui 19:19, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Shetland writers[edit]

Hi, Ben MacDui,

I see you didn't like the changes I made to the 'Writers' subsection of the 'Shetland' page. Nothing I'm going to get worked up about, but I do think it's a bit tendentious to single out Vagaland as 'arguably the greatest' Shetland poet. He's well up among the contenders, certainly, but - very different though they are - William J Tait is equally so. Others might draw up different shortlists, too!

I've amended your list of 'contemporary' writers, because Tait and Lollie Graham are no longer alive. If and when time stops being in short supply, I may add some earlier writers not mentioned in the current text.

Cheers, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aaldrockie (talkcontribs) 12:35, 14 January 2014 (UTC) Aaldrockie (talk) 12:40, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

I don't have any great investment in the details but ideally any of those mentioned would be referenced (and must be so if their own article is not) and their inclusion would be based on some kind of recognition beyond the shores of Shetland. Ben MacDui 09:25, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

January 2014[edit]

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Precious again[edit]

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Thank you for quality articles on the Scottish islands, such as Skye, and people such as Rachel Chiesley, Lady Grange, for you recipe against wikistress, and for quoting "the mutual creation of capacity, building the ability of the other person or group to become, in turn, a giver of life and responsibility", - repeating: you are an awesome Wikipedian (16 August 2010)!

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A year ago, you were the 374th recipient of my PumpkinSky Prize, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:08, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Orkenyinga saga[edit]

Thanks for updating Møre og Romsdal, but I am not sure how informative it is to add the entire county to "Category:Orkneyinga saga places". Møre og Romsdal is a modern administrative division, it is related to Viking-era name of a district, but I doubt that it is very precise to label the county as a "place" mentioned in that saga. --Erik den yngre (talk) 15:32, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

I am aware of that but there does not seem to be an article about Møre itself, unless I have missed something. Ben MacDui 15:37, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
Exactly how is it referred to in that saga? Regards --Erik den yngre (talk) 18:52, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
It is only a brief reference, although a crucial one. According to the saga the first earl of Orkney was Rognvald Eysteinsson: "Earl Rognvald campaigned with King Harald Fine-hair who gave him charge of North More, South More and Romsdal" - and then after various adventures Harald "gave Earl Rognvald Shetland and Orkney" in compensation for the death of his son Ivar. Eventually Rognvald's son Torf-Einarr becomes earl and founds a dynasty that lasted until medieval times. Although this connection is not accepted as genuine history by all modern scholars it is clearly an attempt by the saga writers to create a link back to Norway and legitimise the earldom's founding. Ben MacDui 19:08, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
North More roughly corresponds to present Nordmøre district, South More roughly Sunnmøre and Romsdal between. According to the sources I browsed quickly these names are old, at least from "saga time". Snorre Sturluson also wrote that Ragnvald Øysteinson became Earl of Romsdal and "both Møre". It appears that medieval Nordmøre (North More) may have stretched further north along the coast (what is now coastal areas of Sør-Trøndelag county), perhaps as far as Namdalen (Norwegian source: Helle, Knut. Norge blir en stat 1130 – 1319. Universitetsforlaget, Oslo 1974). So it Møre og Romsdal probably corresponds roughly to Møre of the saga. --Erik den yngre (talk) 19:32, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
OK and thanks for that. Ben MacDui 13:11, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Reading material[edit]

Hi MacDui. I came across this pdf through Google. It might be of interest: The Vikings and Scotland - Impact and Influence. It gives little summaries of talks from a conference back in 2006. There's also a newish book somewhat previewable on Google Books, called "Celtic-Norse Relationships in the Irish Sea in the Middle Ages 800-1200". It has chapters by Beuermann, Crawford, and Downham amongst others. Crawford's is titled "The Kingdom of Man and the Earldom of Orkney—Some Comparisons". Here's the publisher's website which names the chapters/contributors [2]. Maybe if we're lucky a chapter or two might pop up on some time in the future.--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 00:42, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Crawford's piece does sound interesting and I will keep a look out for that. Thanks for letting me know. Ben MacDui 13:14, 27 January 2014 (UTC)


Hi Ben,

You referred me to WP:HOLM saying that the WPSI project's goals are not confined to geography. That page has a brief description of the goals of the project. It says the project is for articles that describe Scottish islands. The Sitekit article I edited describes Sitekit. Sitekit is not a Scottish island. Therefore the Sitekit article does not belong in WPSI. Buster79 (talk) 18:06, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

The topic is broadly construed. If the Project page itself is not evidence enough, try Category:Islands of Scotland and it's numerous sub-cats, or Category:Scottish Islands articles by quality, where the table indicates that the volume of articles covered by the project vastly exceeds the number of islands and is clearly not confined to simple geography. We could easily create a category or two for the islands that includes the Inner Hebrides etc. and was a sub-cat of Category:Organisations based in Scotland, but so far no-one has been inspired to do so. Ben MacDui 18:19, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Okay, if you really think so. I have no agenda here, it just seems incongruous. Buster79 (talk) 20:06, 2 February 2014 (UTC)


A new experience. Having just welcomed a new user called "5Bengal", I was quickly menaced on my talk page. And then again. Could you please have a word with 5Bengal? Moonraker (talk) 09:06, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

You have caught me as I was just leaving for real world duties. 5Bengal's threats are clearly unacceptable but I'd want to check the history before taking action and I can't until much later today. If no other admin is watching this can take action, you would have every justification in taking this to WP:ANI. Ben MacDui 09:13, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
Thank you, will follow your advice. Moonraker (talk) 09:25, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
Glad it was fixed in short order - just let me know if you need anything else. Ben MacDui 17:21, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Sigurd the Stout[edit]

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Sigurd the Stout[edit]

May I just say, this was a joy to review. Engaging, well-written, and hit all my historical interests. If you ever get annoyed about a GA being unreviewed, please ask me. Adam Cuerden (talk) 17:44, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Many thanks indeed! Ben MacDui 17:42, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Sigurd the Stout[edit]

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All of this was anticipated and will leave it at that --BurlesqueCoversGalére (talk) 16:40, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

additionally, there was no breach as far as i am aware and all information was already in the public domain provided by each party no less. I consider those to be primary sources. It's all out there and there is a great deal more. I would advise that if it it so important to keep this information private then they should revise what they have publicized so far, not rocket science.--BurlesqueCoversGalére (talk) 16:49, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Lady Cathcart[edit]

Hi MacDui, thanks for adding another Project banner to Emily Gordon Cathcart - I didn't know about that project! There is an awful lot that could still be added to Lady Cathcart, I'm amazed that there wasn't anything for her before now. Unfortunately, I don't have time to do much with it at the moment so just cobbled together a handful of basic stuff in the hope someone will expand it a bit more. Together with her father-in-law, John Gordon they must have had quite an effect on the islands. SagaciousPhil - Chat 10:50, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Template talk:Europe topic[edit]

Please visit this page ASAP! --MacRùsgail (talk) 12:06, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Description of the Western Isles of Scotland TFLS[edit]

Hi MacDui,

You've done a great job in producing high-quality content related to Scotland! I've nominated Description of the Western Isles of Scotland to go up on the main page here. I was wondering about the proper way of referring to this work. The article is called "Description of the Western Isles of Scotland" without an "A" or "The" to begin with, but the first line of the lead starts with the word "The", and publications of the work seem to begin the title with "A". Any clarification on this point would be greatly appreciated. I think it's a great article and I'd like to see it gain a TFL slot.

Neelix (talk) 17:35, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Many thanks for this kind nomination and sorry not to respond sooner. I've been very tied up over the last few weeks. I am pretty sure there is no prefacing article but I will check this out and expect to reply on Saturday. Ben MacDui 20:24, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
A slightly tricky issue. The 1934 online version clearly has "A Description..." but R. W. Munro's definitive 1961 publication lists three published versions all without any prefacing article and then also lists the online version in full with the title that you can see on the above link. Martin Martin's "Description", with which Monro is published in the linked article is almost always refered to by the title "A Description...." and I believe the 1934 version is mistaken in putting the "A" in front of Monro's work. Needless to say I don't have a copy of any of the Monro originals. R. W. Munro p. 46 quotes the whole of Monro's work under the heading "Description of the Occidental i.e. Western Isles of Scotland". Haswell-Smith, Hamish (2004). The Scottish Islands. Edinburgh: Canongate. ISBN 978-1-84195-454-7. 

's bibilography lists the work without the "A". In summary, some versions or editions may have had an "A" but most versions and the most definitive publication on the topic do not use this so I think we are safe enough without it. Ben MacDui 13:08, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

That makes sense to me. Thanks for looking into this issue! I have removed the prefacing "the" from both the article and the blurb. I'm glad you approve of the TFL nomination. Neelix (talk) 16:33, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
Interesting. I notice now that Munro refers repeatedly to "Monro's Description " - a usage that is hard to sustain with any ease in the article. It is sometimes referred to in this way to distinguish it from Martin's work of similar name and I don't recall the work being called "Description" very often but I'll leave it be unless I come across anything clear. Ben MacDui 19:38, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

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Cheers, Ocaasi via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 20:47, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Done. Ben MacDui 13:09, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

List of oldest buildings[edit]

No ruins found at the Gulf of Cambay, so I'm removing this. Letting you know as you added it (I know you'll be notified on your watchlist but this is more personal). Dougweller (talk) 11:35, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

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Where are you?[edit]

I see you haven't added anything to your talk page in two months. I hope all is well. I was going to ask you a question, but since you're not very active on WP at present, I'll have to ask someone else. Best regards, CorinneSD (talk) 23:48, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

I'm around, just very real-world busy right now. Happy to help if I can. Ben MacDui 08:07, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Oh, good. I'm glad you're still participating. I left my question on Finnrind's talk page at User talk:Finnrind#Runes, but he/she has also not been active for a few weeks. I'd be happy if you could answer my question. CorinneSD (talk) 15:50, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

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